Flopped NFD + weak straight draw 3-way
 

UTG+1 is a pretty bad regular. In the hand I had a feeling that he could definitely have the idea to slowplay a set.

How bad is this? My feeling on the turn was that both people would call, as they did. And in that case my EV isn't that bad with the pot already at $80. So if they don't have a bunch of blockers this is more less +- 0 equity play. On the other hand, only one person might call and I really don't want to go HU against someone ... should I have tried for some kind of c/c line instead? Do you ever see them both folding?

Anyway, the whole table agreed that I was an ultra-donk and that this site is rigged etc etc, also a guy bemoanded that he folded KKxx against me earlier on a TJQK board with a flush on it lol. Is it that bad? I thought it was ok

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $100.40
UTG+1: $162
CO: $101.80
Button: $185.65
roggles: $125.95
BB: $18.70

Pre-flop: (6 players) roggles is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $4</font>, CO calls, Button folds, roggles calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($20, 5 players)
<font color="#cc0000">roggles bets $20</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($80, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">roggles bets $80</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG calls all-in $76.4</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO calls all-in $77.8</font>.
Uncalled bets: $2.2 returned to roggles.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($312, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $309.2, Sidepot 1: $2.8)


Results:
Final pot: $312

BTW I am on a bad run and kind of on semi-tilt, especially in donkaments I keep being unable to fold things. I have been losing a lot lately. I don't know if it matters for my image or not.

Re: Flopped NFD + weak straight draw 3-way
 

Do you mean utg might have a set? I think you are getting called by some worse flush draws that gives you probably enough equity.

Re: Flopped NFD + weak straight draw 3-way
 

Yeah sorry, I meant UTG, not UTG+1 in what I said above. UTG+1 was unknown to me

Re: Flopped NFD + weak straight draw 3-way
 

Zero reason to take control of this hand on the flop with your hand... Just check/call the whole way IMO.

Re: Flopped NFD + weak straight draw 3-way
 

potting the flop here looks like spew 5 ways first to act.

Re: Flopped NFD + weak straight draw 3-way
 

What does that mean? It makes you want to vomit?

Re: Flopped NFD + weak straight draw 3-way
 

spew means that it is a big money losing proposition. you have little chance of folding out 4 players and you may be priced out of your draw by the actions of others.

Re: Flopped NFD + weak straight draw 3-way
 

AT98 pot pot all day
but with naked draws check/call

Re: Flopped NFD + weak straight draw 3-way
 

I think betting something around $14 is best if your going to lead this flop. Check raising is also a good option depending how the action goes behind you. It wasn't a good idea to pot the turn after you got two callers on the flop. It is very likely that one made the nuts on the turn or smooth called your flop bet with a set waiting for a non spade turn to get there money in.

Re: Flopped NFD + weak straight draw 3-way
 

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AT98 pot pot all day
but with naked draws check/call

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Check/call with a naked NFD? Really? I'd be way more inclined to check/fold. Especially 5-way. Is this a leak?

Re: Flopped NFD + weak straight draw 3-way
 

hes got a nfd with a gutshot to a nut straight.
i would assume your losing alot of value from worse flushes by check folding your nut flush draws out of position.

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AT98 pot pot all day
but with naked draws check/call

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Check/call with a naked NFD? Really? I'd be way more inclined to check/fold. Especially 5-way. Is this a leak?

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uhhh yes, check/folding NFDs 5-handed is pretty obviously a leak...

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uhhh yes, check/folding NFDs 5-handed is pretty obviously a leak...

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In this situation say hero checks the flop and whoever is last to act pots it. Can hero call 20bb w/ a naked NFD (let's assume he doesn't have the gutter) with 3 other people left to act in the hand?

I just hate check/calling with my draws since it's so obvious when we hit, and as a result rarely get paid off. I'll bet my draws against 1-2 players when OOP and more when IP all day long.

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Re: Flopped NFD + weak straight draw 3-way
 

I like all lines that dont involve folding flop, and since our outs often will make villians next best hand. (booth str8 and flush) c/r lp bet is bad. This is a spot we prefer the pot to be multiway so we dont get it in vs sets HU.

Weakleading is somewhat sexy, even we build pot oop.

Re: Flopped NFD + weak straight draw 3-way
 

looks good too me.

fwiw I would prefer having a 9 to have TP instead of the 8 to the gutshot.

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uhhh yes, check/folding NFDs 5-handed is pretty obviously a leak...

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In this situation say hero checks the flop and whoever is last to act pots it. Can hero call 20bb w/ a naked NFD (let's assume he doesn't have the gutter) with 3 other people left to act in the hand?

I just hate check/calling with my draws since it's so obvious when we hit, and as a result rarely get paid off. I'll bet my draws against 1-2 players when OOP and more when IP all day long.

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its even better because people are very very bad at omaha and will call with 2nd nut flush draw.