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I have not made a decision yet so I come here looking for advice from anyone willing to give it. I admit it I went nuts. I found my husbands online poker account and went crazy with blackjack. I lost 3k. I am done with gambling on line I dont think I can control myself. Here is my delemia.... I had 1k left in the account and I tried to withdraw it. I got a message from the account that since this was my husbands account they will not release my money unless I send a picture of every credit card I used (front and back) My drive's licence (front and back) and bank statemtns from each credit card. Maybe this is fair and normal. I dont like it! They had no problem taking my money and no problem haveing me loose 37 black jack hands in a row. I just wanted my money that is left however I think they want my left over money too. My thought is why not dispute the charges (on my credit card) saying the merchant will not give me back my money that is mine. I have spent about 4 hours on line doing research on line about this and I dont know what the best thing to do is. Again, I have not made up my mind I was planning on paying my debt and just taking my left over however them holding my money hostage and asking for what I consider very unresonable demands has got me upset. Thanks for listening to me ramble.

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I got a message from the account that since this was my husbands account

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How did they know it wasn't him playing and yes this is super standard procedure.

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Why don't they just release the money in your account? Because they know people like you lose money and then dispute the charges. They're not about to take recently deposited money, give it back to you and then take a charge back.

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Ive disputed charges with a gambling site and my bank backed me up all the way. I told them that the charges were not made by myself and they were back in my account within three weeks. The gamblinbg site will try and pursue this but just tell them your card was stollen they cant do very much.

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Ive disputed charges with a gambling site and my bank backed me up all the way. I told them that the charges were not made by myself and they were back in my account within three weeks. The gamblinbg site will try and pursue this but just tell them your card was stollen they cant do very much.

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Nice so you feel ok about gambling losing than lying to get your $ back... sweet conscious

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Ive disputed charges with a gambling site and my bank backed me up all the way. I told them that the charges were not made by myself and they were back in my account within three weeks. The gamblinbg site will try and pursue this but just tell them your card was stollen they cant do very much.

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I am not going to lie. I just feel frustrated. I have no idea how they dont know it was my husband playing but I assume the problem is that it was my credit card that was used. I just feel frustraded they had no problem letting me deposit but then they have "rules" for the withdrawal. My husband is really against me disputing anything because the account is in his name. I guess I came on here hoping several would tell me how aweful the online gambing sites are and they are so in the wrong and I am in the right so I could tell my husband that people agreed with me. I guess I give them all of my personal info pay them and move on. Just doesnt feel right. But, I guess that is why I shouldnt have done it in the first place. Again, I admit I went nuts and I was wrong. I have not made a decision I came on for advice for those who whish to give it. Calling me names is not so helpful.

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Ive disputed charges with a gambling site and my bank backed me up all the way. I told them that the charges were not made by myself and they were back in my account within three weeks. The gamblinbg site will try and pursue this but just tell them your card was stollen they cant do very much.

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Their demands are reasonable.

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My thought is why not dispute the charges (on my credit card) saying the merchant will not give me back my money that is mine.

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Uh, because that would make you a bad person?

I was prepared to feel sorry for you because I know that gambling addiction can be a serious affliction. You relieved me of that emotional burden by your easy willingness to being a fraud, crossing the line from mere addict to degenerate scumbag.

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They had no problem taking my money and no problem haveing me loose 37 black jack hands in a row. I just wanted my money that is left however I think they want my left over money too. My thought is why not dispute the charges (on my credit card) saying the merchant will not give me back my money that is mine.

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If you were playing on Ultimate Bet I think I would not blame you, if you did what are thinking about doing... or at least try. (If you were playing on a decent site, don't do anything dishonest)
Their crappy software with cards not showing, no timebank showing... noone can blame you for going nuts while playing on that site. (basic insanity defense)

Please do report back here... PLZ

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Again, I just want the money left in the account. That is the dispute not what I lost. To me the online site seems dishonest take my money but not giving it back unless I basically give them my identity.. Am I the first person to feel this way?

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Again, I just want the money left in the account. That is the dispute not what I lost. To me the online site seems dishonest take my money but not giving it back unless I basically give them my identity.. Am I the first person to feel this way?

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This may seem unreasonable/suck, but thats pretty much standard.
Also they would be stupid to give you your money back soon after you deposited in case you try to reverse the charges - they are not in the business of losing money.

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It has been about 2 months since I made the deposit I have alreay been making payment to my card. It took them 3 weeks to reply by email I needed to jump through there hoops to get my money. I didnt loose the money in one sitting they let me win for a bit then I started loosing more and started betting more. They are going to make pleny of money off me I just wanted what was left.

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I guess I came on here hoping several would tell me how aweful the online gambing sites are and they are so in the wrong and I am in the right so I could tell my husband that people agreed with me. I guess I give them all of my personal info pay them and move on. Just doesnt feel right.

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So you basically just came here for approval to rip them off? Listen to your husband and don't charge back money on his account, I feel bad enough for the guy already. I wouldn't expect losing 3k to "feel right", but stop trying to justify if because it was an online casino. You can't play the moral card AFTER you lost.

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Correct I came here for aproval. I am not playing a moral card. They are playing a moral card. They took my money from MY CREDIT card SEVERAL times.. no problem. Then they wont give it back without giving them copies of everyting including bank statatmens, drivers licence, and pictures of my cards. I will pay what I lost I just wanted what was mine.

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Again, I just want the money left in the account. That is the dispute not what I lost. To me the online site seems dishonest take my money but not giving it back unless I basically give them my identity.. Am I the first person to feel this way?

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What casino would have the nerve to identify its customers.

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They when they figured out it was not his card why not stop me then??? I had zero knowledge it was a problem until I went to withdraw. Ok I am done here. Identify me ok! I can live with that but what they are asking for really concerned me. That is why I came here.. For peole to say no biggie send them all of your info its safe we all do it.. No big deal or for people to say screw them they are being unreasonable. You are all so concerned about the casino and they get their money. I have never not paid for somthing I purchased this seemed shady to me.

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no biggie send them all of your info its safe we all do it

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You did come for approval to rip them off, which is what caused the negative replys. This is completely standard for them to request this info after your first cashout (win or lose). They have to do stuff like this for certain reasons. One might be so people don't scam/chargeback on them. If everyone was honest then people like us wouldn't have to go through with this either. Can you understand now where all the hostility came from?

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OP its people like you who ruin it for the rest of us.

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I had every right to dispute these charges. The site has been cheating through its owners at poker. I dont know how many people did it or if it even happened to me but they were caught cheating. How moral is that?

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I had every right to dispute these charges. The site has been cheating through its owners at poker. I dont know how many people did it or if it even happened to me but they were caught cheating. How moral is that?

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So 2 Wrongs make a Right?

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I admit it I went nuts. I found my husbands online poker account and went crazy with blackjack. I lost 3k.

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You should see a doctor about this part.

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they will not release my money unless I send a picture of every credit card I used (front and back) My drive's licence (front and back) and bank statemtns from each credit card. Maybe this is fair and normal. I dont like it!

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It is fairly standard procedure for any financial transactions like this to require identification.

Apart from anything else, this helps to prevent money laundering and terrorist financing and the like.

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My thought is why not dispute the charges (on my credit card) saying the merchant will not give me back my money that is mine.

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That would be wrong. Your merchant isn't refusing to give back the money, but merely asking you to comply with the relevant international financial regulations.

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Ive disputed charges with a gambling site and my bank backed me up all the way. I told them that the charges were not made by myself and they were back in my account within three weeks. The gamblinbg site will try and pursue this but just tell them your card was stollen they cant do very much.

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You are a thief. You should go to gaol.

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I have no idea how they dont know it was my husband playing but I assume the problem is that it was my credit card that was used. I just feel frustraded they had no problem letting me deposit but then they have "rules" for the withdrawal. My husband is really against me disputing anything because the account is in his name.

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It has nothing to do with your husband as an individual. These rules apply to everyone.

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To me the online site seems dishonest take my money but not giving it back unless I basically give them my identity.. Am I the first person to feel this way?

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You're not the first person to feel this way. Many poker sites communicate poorly.

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I had every right to dispute these charges. The site has been cheating through its owners at poker. I dont know how many people did it or if it even happened to me but they were caught cheating. How moral is that?

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No, you do not have every right to dispute these charges because they were legitimate.

You would not need to lie like a lying liar that lies and claim that your card was stolen if it was not.

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I guess I came on here hoping several would tell me.. [snip]..I am in the right


I was wrong.

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Does not compute. You want people to tell you that you were right, despite admitting you were wrong?

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What im supposed to get cheated and just take it.
Ive played many sites and lost without even bothering.
This to me was unacceptable,i didnt need the money back i just dont like being cheated its hard enough to win without being cheated aswell.

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What im supposed to get cheated and just take it.
Ive played many sites and lost without even bothering.
This to me was unacceptable,i didnt need the money back i just dont like being cheated its hard enough to win without being cheated aswell.

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What site was this?

How were you cheated?

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It was Absolute poker im sure you've heard of the way the cheated by seeing peoples hole cards. Now i have no idea if i was cheated anywhere down the road playing there but they have 100% been caught cheating on the site.
Its imoral and i believe everyone that ever played there should contact there banks and send this company bankrupt.

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I had every right to dispute these charges. The site has been cheating through its owners at poker. I dont know how many people did it or if it even happened to me but they were caught cheating. How moral is that?

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It was Absolute poker im sure you've heard of the way the cheated by seeing peoples hole cards. Now i have no idea if i was cheated anywhere down the road playing there but they have 100% been caught cheating on the site.
Its imoral and i believe everyone that ever played there should contact there banks and send this company bankrupt.

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Whatever helps you sleep at night. Its great how you try to justify stealing.

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It was Absolute poker im sure you've heard of the way the cheated by seeing peoples hole cards.

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Given that I created the website that maintained the pressure on AP to come clean about their cheating, yes, I am aware of it.

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Now i have no idea if i was cheated anywhere down the road playing there but they have 100% been caught cheating on the site.

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You previously claimed that you were certain that you had been cheated. This no longer seems true.


The cheaters appear to have only been playing at high stakes. From the tone of your posts, I assume you have not been playing at such levels.

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Its imoral and i believe everyone that ever played there should contact there banks and send this company bankrupt.

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I don't understand how you can claim with a straight face that:
a) AP acted immorally

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b) therefore, you should act immorally.


Surely, if morality was an important issue to you, you would not behave this way.

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AP has BJ? Plus why would seeing hole cards in BJ matter?

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Fracchiolla,
To my knowledge no one on AP has been cheated at BJ, the exposed cheats were playing high stakes poker. Therefore you were NOT cheated and only a handful of poker players were, you unfortunately lost like alot of folks do at BJ.

However your remaining money in the account is rightfully yours and you CAN get it if you follow the steps they ask you to, as suggested before this is a completely standard process which almost all sites make you go through for your first cashout.

Disputing these charges with your financial institution will eventually come back on you, the poker sites have over the last few years had problems with people disputing charges so they have taken the necessary measures to track where charges/deposits come from in the event someone disputes a valid charge. If you dispute a valid charge it will come back on you at some point, could even get charged off on your credit report as bad debt if they dont get it back out of your bank account, etc etc. No reason to go down this path, make the right decision.

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37 losing hands in a row is just statistically impossible!

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Didn't read all of this but --

if this is your husband's account

and he doesn't want you to dispute this or supply the information

then have him give you the money and he can keep what's in the account. He gets to gamble it away and you get one hell of a facial and maybe even some permanent cosmetics [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Not if you double down on a hard 12 thru 16 lol lol

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Lets put it this way. Go to a B&M and win 1200 dollars on a slot or more on a tournament (bj/poker). If you don't have proper id including your ss number you won't get the money until you come up with the documents. What is your problem. Oh, by the way, B&M's don't require id before you play either except for being legal age.

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LOL @ stupidity of women