Why does a flush beat a straight?
 

I've always wondered about this as almost all straight draws have up to 8 outs to hit with <=4-out gutshots being the most common draw (and the 12-out triple belly buster on very rare occasions) while a flush draw has up to 9 outs to hit. Can someone clarify this for me please?

Re: Why does a flush beat a straight?
 

There are more ways to make a straight than a flush.

Re: Why does a flush beat a straight?
 

flushes are harder to get. so yes, there's more outs on the flop, but you don't flop a flush draw as often.

Re: Why does a flush beat a straight?
 

Poker hands are ranked by their probability of being dealt using only 5 cards. How hard they are to draw to after the flop is not considered.

There are fewer flush combos than straight combos in a deck of 52 cards so the flush ranks higher.

Someone Smarter than me will have to provide the exact math behind this, but I hope it answers your question.

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Poker hands are ranked by their probability of being dealt using only 5 cards. How hard they are to draw to after the flop is not considered.

There are fewer flush combos than straight combos in a deck of 52 cards so the flush ranks higher.

Someone Smarter than me will have to provide the exact math behind this, but I hope it answers your question.

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Re: Why does a flush beat a straight?
 

.... what was the point of just quoting that? I see almost all your posts are quoting someone else, adding nothing. Weird.

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Re: Why does a flush beat a straight?
 

For being dealt 5 cards from a 52 card deck.
There are 5108 ways to make a flush and 10200 ways to make a straight out of 2,598,960 possible hands.

Re: Why does a flush beat a straight?
 

I neglected to add an additional 40 straight-flushes which may also be dealt.

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I've always wondered about this as almost all straight draws have up to 8 outs to hit with <=4-out gutshots being the most common draw (and the 12-out triple belly buster on very rare occasions) while a flush draw has up to 9 outs to hit. Can someone clarify this for me please?

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.... what was the point of just quoting that? I see almost all your posts are quoting someone else, adding nothing. Weird.

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Good job Kimbell. lol

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I've always wondered about this as almost all straight draws have up to 8 outs to hit with <=4-out gutshots being the most common draw (and the 12-out triple belly buster on very rare occasions) while a flush draw has up to 9 outs to hit. Can someone clarify this for me please?

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Agree 100%

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.... what was the point of just quoting that? I see almost all your posts are quoting someone else, adding nothing. Weird.

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Re: Why does a flush beat a straight?
 

Another thing that throws a lot of people off is the fact that there are usually more flushes as made hands in holdem than straights.

I can think of at least two solid reasons for this. One is the simple fact that lots of players like two suited cards. And they also don't like laying down a four flush hand. The other is that a lot of draws to straights are inside draws and these are given up very often.

Re: Why does a flush beat a straight?
 

With suited connectors you flop a straight in 1.3% of all cases and a flush in 0.8% of all cases so the flush beat a straight as you flop it less often [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I understand the idea of it and it works well with short statements... but the comic effect is kind of killed when you quote several paragraphs. Especially when you look at his posting history and see 90% is just quoting... Just retarded and annoying.

Anyway, back on topic... flushes look nicer.

Re: Why does a flush beat a straight?
 

I think that part of the reason is that no one ever makes a flush in clubs. So really there are 1/4 less flushes possible than it seems. Admit it, if you have a 4 flush in clubs, you know it's not going to hit, right?

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Statements like this made as though it were fact is what is annoying to me. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: Why does a flush beat a straight?
 

For real.

From my pokertracker database:
straight: 3.44%
flush: 2.24%

How about that.

Re: Why does a flush beat a straight?
 

Besides the deal about odds with 5 cards vs 7, maybe it is worth noting that a flush is easier to spot on the board than a straight.

Re: Why does a flush beat a straight?
 

Lets use an example..by no means extensive.
Pretend we playing 5 card stud, for a flush to happen we need as thus.
1st card: any
2nd card: same suit so 12/51
3rd card: same suit so 11/50
4th card: same suti so 10/49
5th card: same suit so 9/48
To calculate the probabilty of a flush happening we multiply the 4 odds togeather = (12/51)x(11/50)x(10/49)x(9/48)

Lets say we now trying to draw a straight 56789
1st card: 7
2nd card: 32/51 (we can hit 3,4,5,6,8,9,T,J) lets say we hit a 8
3rd card: 24/50 (we can hit 4,5,6,9,T,J) lets say we hit a 6
4th card: 16/49 (we can hit 4,5,9,T) lets say we hit a 9
5th card: 8/48 (we can hit 5,T)
For the probabilty of get 56789 = (32/51)x(24/50)x(16/49)x(8/48)

If you compare the two result you will see the probabilty of hitting a flush if lower. And thats not taking into account of the numerous ways to hit a striaght (perms and coms).