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luegofuego 11-17-2007 03:06 PM

omahahaha
 
folded around to very very aggressive SB who opens for $30, i call in BB with some bs, TT76 i think it was. stacks $1300ish

flop comes KQT with two hearts (no flushdraw, no backdoor draw for me). he pots. whats my plan here knowing that he will fire turn a [censored] load if i just call? i cant raise flop can i?

Bakes 11-17-2007 03:15 PM

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my standard is usually call and reeval, problem is every turn card sucks. at least you have position, if he's that aggro u can prob call another barrel or two. i wouldn't raise the flop.

xorbie 11-17-2007 03:26 PM

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Really [censored] spot, seeing as how even the cards that improve you are really bad reverse implied odds, you can't raise, if you call he knows you don't have a hand that can call 3 barrels (unless you are super tricky).

Honestly I don't think calling one bet and trying to check it down is that bad. I'd be bluffing a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] if he checks it on the turn btw, and possibly shoving on a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] if he double barrels.

mrcoughman 11-17-2007 03:42 PM

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Just learning omaha, and don't want to side track the thread, but what do you guys think the merits are to the pre flop call?

Janis N. 11-17-2007 03:49 PM

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Isn't his range like really wide here still? We're basically HU and he's super aggro.

I'd call and wouldn't mind getting it in on low non-hearts. On others I'd eval.

Oh and preflop is fine, we have position.

ahnuld 11-17-2007 04:07 PM

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position is pretty big in omaha, preflop is standard. Id call flop, turn is turn dependant.

MATT111 11-17-2007 04:28 PM

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Not that I knew much about this game but anything other than calling seems kinda bad.

jfish 11-17-2007 04:40 PM

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ngga you have triiiiips.

KingDan 11-17-2007 04:41 PM

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Standard call

DLizzle 11-17-2007 05:21 PM

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[ QUOTE ]
Isn't his range like really wide here still? We're basically HU and he's super aggro.

I'd call and wouldn't mind getting it in on low non-hearts. On others I'd eval.

Oh and preflop is fine, we have position.

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getting it in would probably be really bad. i'd just call, if you raise it's basically a bluff that won't work, but he probably folds almost everything worse. this is a tough spot though because if the turn is a blank and he fires again which he would a lot it will be a tough decision. Also if the board pairs he could easily have an overfull but you'll prob have to at least call another barrel. i would fold a lot of turns i think.

Janis N. 11-17-2007 05:26 PM

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I agree that getting it in would be bad on the flop (as you're flipping like always and behind sometimes), but I think it would be OK on a blank turn imo unless he rarely two barrels.

I mean yes it's Omaha (and I'm bad at it) but that doesn't mean that everybody always has the nuts if it's a BvB vs. aggressive opponent.

MATT111 11-17-2007 05:48 PM

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I agree that getting it in would be bad on the flop (as you're flipping like always and behind sometimes), but I think it would be OK on a blank turn imo unless he rarely two barrels.

I mean yes it's Omaha (and I'm bad at it) but that doesn't mean that everybody always has the nuts if it's a BvB vs. aggressive opponent.

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Then again our equity seems terrible against his calling range. We don`t expect him to lay down oversets, do we?

Janis N. 11-17-2007 06:13 PM

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Then again our equity seems terrible against his calling range. We don`t expect him to lay down oversets, do we?

[/ QUOTE ]No, he never folds oversets but I don't see why they would be a large part of his range. "folded around to very very aggressive SB"... he's opening and cbetting 2 streets with a bunch here that isn't KKxx, QQxx, AJxx, J9xx.

Actually turn is tricky as pot is only $180 on the turn and I no longer like getting it all in there that much. Whether we raise or not depends on turn card and his bet.

But I still don't see why the majority opinion seems to be that we have a bluff catcher on a blank turn here.

RoundTower 11-17-2007 06:44 PM

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I call now, if he is as aggro as you say I am probably calling most turns as well. And yes you can have a hand that you will call down with here.

DLizzle 11-17-2007 07:03 PM

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I agree that getting it in would be bad on the flop (as you're flipping like always and behind sometimes)

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if we got it in on the flop i would guess that we are behind like always and flipping sometimes.

stinkypete 11-17-2007 07:14 PM

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call and spike a ten ldo

blopp 11-18-2007 05:38 AM

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Usually this is really bad flop for your hand/ your set isnt so strong. But vs this sb calling flop and turn seems fine. U don t wanna semibluff here in position/ you are good enough that u can handle some difficult spots. Plo ppl cant handread.

Vinetou 11-18-2007 07:11 AM

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call and spike a ten ldo

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Th, so that villain makes a royal.

wazz 11-18-2007 07:30 AM

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I sometimes repot pre which makes postflop a lot easier. As played just call and keep calling most turns against this specific villain. I check back turn mostly if checked to, but betting may be better.


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