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loose live mid-stakes. I have a tight image.

EP limps, I look left and see that MP is going to call so I limp with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], MP calls, Loose button calls, BB calls.

5 to the flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Everyone checks to the loose spazzy button. his play can range from really loose crazy to only semi-loose. He's a middle aged persian male in LA but, he knows I play tight and tightens up against me.


BB calls, EP calls (these players are both unknown loose LA people), I raise, MP calls two cold (she plays loose but can read hands well and makes some good folds), spazzy button calls, BB calls, EP folds.

4 to the turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

EP checks, I bet thinking this is a good scare card and maybe nobody has an ace. MP calls, button raises, BB folds, I call, and MP calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

check, check, bet, MP folds out of turn, I fold.

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Hi brick,

Bleh just call river in case he has 77/JJ/some other random LA crap. Pre-flop seems fine, flop is good, turn I'd probably tend to check-call because doesn't someone almost certainly have an Ace? River I'd be planning on folding but when my call closes the action vs. the player described, I'd call, getting brazilian:1.

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i think on the river in this very large pot a call even for a chop is going to be the right play.

i like your pf and flop play; turn is a good card for you and i think i'd still bet it.

when you say the button is loose would he raise qq or kk pf?

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I cannot imagine folding here, especially when the third person has folded out of turned. I call and say "I always pay off quads".

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I think folding this river is realllyyyy bad.

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Maybe folding the river was a little stupid but I was so sure he had an Ace when he confidently raised the turn. This guy loves to be aggro with good hands so it's unlikely he had KK, QQ, JJ or 77 but maybe there is a small chance.

I'm mostly posted this to ask about the PF limp and turn bet.

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I'm mostly posted this to ask about the PF limp and turn bet.

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i bet the flop

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i bet the flop and check the turn and call the river.

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i bet the flop and check the turn and call the river.

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And pf call is fine.

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I'm mostly posted this to ask about the PF limp and turn bet.

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No, it isn't. The preflop is fine but not the turn. You realize we have 4 players seeing the turn including a player that called two cold on the flop? I am checking this turn every day of the week and twice on sunday. You have built your pot and now it is time to spike. You aren't winning this pot UI.

Call the river.

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i'd bet the flop but given how you did play it i think betting the turn is really bad.

river is pretty close but i'd call in case he had 77.

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Maybe folding the river was a little stupid but I was so sure he had an Ace when he confidently raised the turn.

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even if you know he has an ace or better, you could be ahead or chopping on the river.

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As soon as I bet the turn I knew that it was really bad. the best line is the lead/call the flop then check the turn. This ensures money goes in the pot when my equity edge is the largest and it doesn't give my hand away like c/r, check turn does.

Next time I'll call in case he has 77 or JJ. Hopefully he wasn't lying to his neighbor after the hand. I overheard that he couldn't win the jackpot because he had A no kicker. Plus, he'd show the bluff right?

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Maybe folding the river was a little stupid but I was so sure he had an Ace when he confidently raised the turn.

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even if you know he has an ace or better, you could be ahead or chopping on the river.

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Huh? Ahead of quads?

I don't think that folding this river is as bad as everyone says. I'm not sure that I'd be able to lay it down, but this is live poker and sometimes you just know the guy has quads (I'd expect 77 to usually check behind and whine about his fate, and to have given more action on the flop).

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Maybe folding the river was a little stupid but I was so sure he had an Ace when he confidently raised the turn.

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even if you know he has an ace or better, you could be ahead or chopping on the river.

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Huh? Ahead of quads?

I don't think that folding this river is as bad as everyone says. I'm not sure that I'd be able to lay it down, but this is live poker and sometimes you just know the guy has quads (I'd expect 77 to usually check behind and whine about his fate, and to have given more action on the flop).

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dude, why are you talking about your legs when this a poker forum? quads? why your leg muscles? i happen to have mighty fine quads as well, but you dont see me talking about it on a poker forum. sheesh, people these days, always off topic

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As soon as I bet the turn I knew that it was really bad. the best line is the lead/3-bet the flop then check the turn. This ensures money goes in the pot when my equity edge is the largest and it doesn't give my hand away like c/r, check turn does.

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Assuming you have a couple of callers in there with you, you should have enough equity to pump the crap out of this flop.

Not to pile on, but betting the turn was pretty bad - you mentioned that it's a scare card, but who exactly are you going to scare away? If no one has an A, then you likely have the best hand. You'd have to have the perfect overlay of no one having an A *and* someone else having specifically KJ or QJ to make this a good bluff.

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I like the entire hand except for the river fold. The pot is quite big here and I'm going to pay him off if he has 4 aces(hell you could get lucky and the genius has 77)

PF and flop play seems pretty standard. The turn bet is closer with so many players still in the hand. I think the chances of having the best hand and a flush draw to back you up if you don't warrants a bet.

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PF is just fine.

I bet the flop here most of the time.

Turn bet seems like one that will make everyone fold except the one guy who raises. I'd rather check / call.

For one bet with that sized pot, I am not good enough to fold this river.