icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 

u call this normaly?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP2 (t2580)
CO (t2720)
Button (t1075)
SB (t1150)
Hero (t2620)
UTG (t1540)
UTG+1 (t445)
MP1 (t1370)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t2720</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 

unless CO has been the biggest nit in the world i instacall

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 

It's close. Obviously would depend on reads. He won't be super wide here. He does have a hand he's willing to play for stacks with, when he could be making a standard raise.

I think it's probably a fold. But again, reads are important in poker.

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 

remember u can usually subtract AA, KK, QQ from peoples ranges here

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 

How the hell is this a call ?

How does ICM tell you that this is a call ? You put him on 20% or something ?

Fold, I really do not think this is the spot to call off. Yeah he can have any pair, unlikely lower than 55, but so many more times overcards; we're flipping against his range. Unless he's doing that all the time there's no need to get involved there. Have TT to call, if I read correctly that this is 100/200.

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 

thats exactly my point apathy
at this level (remember its a 15$) i have seen people do that with any pair and crap like A5s and A8o

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 

I think he has like 77-JJ, AJ-AK. So I would probably fold this and call with tens.

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 

I think this is a pretty easy call. He has an underpair or hand such as A6s way more often than people think.

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 

If I folded this I would sit there for the next few rounds, being blinded out, looking at all the 74o and various other crap hands I'm getting and wishing I had played my nines.

But don't listen to me, I don't even know what ICM does.

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 

Read dependent.

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t120 (3 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

BB (t3785)
Hero (t1765)
SB (t3450)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t300</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t480</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t2065 (All-In)</font>, BB calls t1285.

Flop: (t3890) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>
.

Turn: (t3890) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t3890) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t3890

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Ks 7h (one pair, sevens).
Hero has 9h 9s (one pair, nines).
Outcome: Hero wins t3590. BB wins t300. </font>

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 

In spots like this I'm thinking not only of the range of the pusher, but also the difference in skill between me and the rest of the players.

With antes I'm certainly leaning towards a call. Without them and it's a tough decision.

What level was the hand above at crystal? BB's play was ghastly.

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 

looks like an ez fold at 16s

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 

If your Opp range is lower than 13% u should fold
if there is higher than 15% instant call

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 

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What level was the hand above at crystal? BB's play was ghastly.

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It was $5. I think there was some ego involved.

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 

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I think he has like 77-JJ, AJ-AK. So I would probably fold this and call with tens.

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hmm this must be wrong. if he has that range you are flipping vs his pair range and ahead of his high cards so its a call.



anyways i call intuitively but its close. im rusty but we are enough handed where bubbble effects dont factor in enough. this is a snap call with JJ, an easy all with TT, and i thnk a slim call with 99.

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 

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I think he has like 77-JJ, AJ-AK. So I would probably fold this and call with tens.

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hmm this must be wrong. if he has that range you are flipping vs his pair range and ahead of his high cards so its a call.



anyways i call intuitively but its close. im rusty but we are enough handed where bubbble effects dont factor in enough. this is a snap call with JJ, an easy all with TT, and i thnk a slim call with 99.

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hmmm i might be wrong. wow sngs suck

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 

No I agree with you Fluores, JJ or TT is a call, 99 is marginal at best but I guess a call w/o reads.

I also agree that in these situations I think about the skill level at the table and decide if Im one of the better players or not. If I am then I can probably exploit someone's weakness later on, If I feel that I might be a weak player at the table then taking a flip for the CL is fine w/ me.

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 

I call because calling is fun.

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 

This is impossible to answer without reads, really.
If I somehow got here readless, I'd fold as it's either a marginal call, a marginal fold or a somewhat clear fold, depending on the opponent imho.

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 

Readless I cannot put villain on a wide enough range for this to be a call.

Re: icm tells me to call but i dont like it (15+1)
 

pretty easy fold, why would you risk 13.5bb against another big stack w/ just 99 when there are 8 ppl left!?