What do you do with your set here?
 

Villain is a pretty smart reg, knows when to fold and such. I think he might have a lowish opinion of me because I check-called him with 2nd pair in a BvB situation, and turned 2p for some value.

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$38.65</font>)
UTG+1 (<font color="#0000cc">$6.40</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$88.55</font>)
BTN (<font color="#0000cc">$55.35</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$50.00</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$53.65</font>)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is SB 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls $0.5, UTG+1 calls $0.5, <font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, BB calls $1.5, <font color="#777777">UTG folds</font>, <font color="#777777">UTG+1 folds</font>

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $6</font>,


I lean towards a 3-bet since the board looks drawy, but do you? Or do I flat it and let him keep going?

Thanks.

Re: What do you do with your set here?
 

17ish all day, calling this flop is terrible
But wtf is up with your preflop? Make it 3-3.5 or just complete

Re: What do you do with your set here?
 

No need to get fancy here ,just 3bet this flop.
I'd also advise to raise more pf, or you'll often end up playing a 4way pot oop, and you'll have to check/fold a lot of flops.

Re: What do you do with your set here?
 

Drop down if you even consider flatting here. Seriously.

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17ish all day, calling this flop is terrible
But wtf is up with your preflop? Make it 3-3.5 or just complete

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Because raising to 2 often folds out the limpers as well as 3 does, and I don't want to play a bigger pot OOP? I'm liable to get floated and 88 isn't a great hand in that spot.

The 4BB+ thing isn't a strict rule, it's a guide. As long as I'm not raising strong hands one way and weak hands another or something, and keeping my bets pretty interchangeable, I don't see the problem.

Re: What do you do with your set here?
 

Im just guessing but PF is alright sometimes as a pot sweetner to make the betting bigger for when we hit a set.

But yea standard is raise more or complete.

3bet flop.

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17ish all day, calling this flop is terrible
But wtf is up with your preflop? Make it 3-3.5 or just complete

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Because raising to 2 often folds out the limpers as well as 3 does, and I don't want to play a bigger pot OOP? I'm liable to get floated and 88 isn't a great hand in that spot.

The 4BB+ thing isn't a strict rule, it's a guide. As long as I'm not raising strong hands one way and weak hands another or something, and keeping my bets pretty interchangeable, I don't see the problem.

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If you're uncomfortable playing bigger pots OOP don't raise PF. From my experience the $2 raise often gets called in more than 1 spot. Plus raising more makes it easier to gets stacks in when we do hit

Re: What do you do with your set here?
 

Well.. your wrong. 2 and 3 makes a big difference. You announce you have a big hand by raising the SB. Either way, if you uncomfortable playing 88 form this spot you can always limp. Making tiny "sweeteners" is a huge leak.

Re: What do you do with your set here?
 

Isn't 88 vs. 3 players just fine with me? Isn't a set the type of hand that I don't mind going multi-way with?

Not that I'm trying to keep people in pre, but it seems like 3 callers with AK is different than 3 callers with 88, since my "made hand" is much stronger and disguised in the latter case.

Re: What do you do with your set here?
 

FWIW I do it once in a blue moon.

I really prefer completing here as we almost always get at least one caller and then we have just started building pot OOP.

Re: What do you do with your set here?
 

How often is 88 going to be the best hand on the flop 2 way? 4 way?
How often are you going to know 88 is the best hand from SB 2 way on the flop? 4 way?
How often are you going to take the pot with a cbet 2 way? 4 way?
How strong are the hands that people limp/called your minraise with?
How often are they going to hit something big with those hands?
How often do you think you going to get paid when you hit your set?
How the hell you plan to play AK and AA from this position?

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How the hell you plan to play AK and AA from this position?

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I want to know this too.

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How often is 88 going to be the best hand on the flop 2 way? 4 way?
How often are you going to know 88 is the best hand from SB 2 way on the flop? 4 way?
How often are you going to take the pot with a cbet 2 way? 4 way?
How strong are the hands that people limp/called your minraise with?
How often are they going to hit something big with those hands?
How often do you think you going to get paid when you hit your set?
How the hell you plan to play AK and AA from this position?

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1. More often 2 way, but in both cases there is an equal (and likely) chance of a flop that I dislike. If I am floated, I am screwed. Thus the difference between the two is less pronounced than it might seem, since it's not a raw "who is better."

2. I don't know if it's the best hand in either case, although since nobody reraised, I have to consider myself best preflop.

3. Less in a 4-way pot.

4. Not sure, my reads on these players aren't deep enough that I know what they limp call with. It could be SCs, it could be tiny pockets, it could be Ace-rags.

5. They will hit big more often 4-way. Big is a double edged sword, of course. I want people hitting 2pair big, not straight big. So, I don't know what this means to me.

6. More often in a 4-way pot.

7. The same way I play AJ, JJ, TT, AK, AQ, or maybe 9Ts from this position.

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I see.

Then there are two options basically. You can do as you are advised. And then half a year later you may say "Ah, coraskh is a tool and $2 is the way to go". Or you can do it your way for half a year and find out I am a tool your way. You choose [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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I see.

Then there are two options basically. You can do as you are advised. And then half a year later you may say "Ah, coraskh is a tool and $2 is the way to go". Or you can do it your way for half a year and find out I am a tool your way. You choose [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Yeah, I mean, I'm not responding just to say "Corsakh you're wrong!" I don't think you are. I think raising to 3 here is a perfectly good move. I just am not sure that raising to 2 is as egregious as people seem to think. And so I'm trying to parse out the pros and cons here.

Re: What do you do with your set here?
 

3bet the flop.

I'd rather raise $3 pre-flop to have a better chance at getting headsup.