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I've seen dealers tell people that it's better for them to wait for their blind as opposed to posting. I've also seen dealers tell people it's better to come in between the blinds as a new player than come in behind.

They don't say "you have an option" and then present the choices. They are giving advice. This annoys me. Do you think this is proper dealer behavior?

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I've never had a dealer give me any options. I usually annouce my intentions after I sit and see where the button is in comparison to my seat. I can safely assume that probably none of them would have announced options.

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Do you think this is proper dealer behavior?

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Technically, probably not. But this is one of the nittiest things ever.

-McGee

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more annoying than comments...i was playing a torney at the trop last weekend and the dealer farted at the table

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more annoying than comments...i was playing a torney at the trop last weekend and the dealer farted at the table

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They did not try to hide it?

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I've seen dealers tell people that it's better for them to wait for their blind as opposed to posting. I've also seen dealers tell people it's better to come in between the blinds as a new player than come in behind.

They don't say "you have an option" and then present the choices. They are giving advice. This annoys me. Do you think this is proper dealer behavior?

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I am OK with this, so long as the dealer is giving sound advice (i.e. post in late position, wait in early position). When a newbie who's unfamiliar with posting sits down, this can be a better solution-- for all parties involved-- than slowing down the game so the dealer can explain all the options and the player can make a still-not-very-informed choice.

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Hey, y'know, sometimes they just squeak out. We're doing a lot of bending and twisting and reaching, these things happens. How are we supposed to hide it?

I usually tell people their options, or more likely say "do you want to post?" (giving multiple choices is usually problematic, as you get "yes" as an answer) ... if a player seems unsure, I'll often validate whatever s/he chose as the proper option, just to help the comfort factor.

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Hey, y'know, sometimes they just squeak out. We're doing a lot of bending and twisting and reaching, these things happens. How are we supposed to hide it?

I usually tell people their options,

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In touristy games something like "you can post a blind UTG now, but you'll have to pay it again the very next hand, or you can wait one hand" is fine. And options for someone sitting down between the SB and button are sometimes voluminous and spelling out every option for a new player who knows none of the rules would take 30 seconds. It makes the game go faster if the dealer just tells a new player what the obvious correct decision is rather than spell out the rules about when he'll have to post and where he can come in, and then wait 10 seconds while the guy mulls it over.

Folks who get worked up over this strike me as people trying to take advantage of newbies' lack of knowledge of the rules (and sometimes the rules specific to the room). I don't mind fleecing the new guys 'cause they suck at poker, but taking their money 'cause they are unfamiliar with rules you can only really learn through experience isn't very sporting.

Obviously dealers can't give advice about how to play a hand. But advice based on the room's particular rules about when to take a hand as you're just sitting down? Advise away.

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what a [censored] nit u are op, who gives a [censored].

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I get pissed when the dealer says something like,"wow what a big pot" or "nice hand" after you win to hustle tips.

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We're talking about posting a BB to see their first hand at the table...

...a single BB...

...that He's going to post anyway, so the net effect to those of us at the table is Zero $?

I think it is part of the Dealer's job to make a new player at the table comfortable, especially a player that may be unclear of the Blind Posting rules of that particular room. For example, the OP talks about posting "between the blinds" - guess what, that isn't an option in any of the casinos in which I play. And I do have a few Live hours logged. So this little tidbit from a Dealer would be appreciated.

Again, the net $ available to the table is unchanged.

Do you get upset when a Dealer assists other players at the BJ table?

(Trick Question: You shouldn't be wasting your time @ the BJ Table.)

Part of the Dealer's job is to make for a pleasant gaming experience, including for newer players.

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what a [censored] nit u are op, who gives a [censored].

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I don't think you get it. There was this huge fish that I know quite well who plays poker a bunch that sat on my right the other day. He was there to GAMBLE, and wanted to post right away. The dealer said "it's better to wait" so he just took her advice. He looked disappointed that he ended up waiting. These people just wanna gamble. If the dealer tells them it's better to wait, they listen though, because they don't want to APPEAR foolish.
It's bad for the gambling atmosphere of the game.

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yeah this is extremely nittish

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I don't think you get it. There was this huge fish that I know quite well who plays poker a bunch that sat on my right the other day. He was there to GAMBLE, and wanted to post right away. The dealer said "it's better to wait" so he just took her advice. He looked disappointed that he ended up waiting. These people just wanna gamble. If the dealer tells them it's better to wait, they listen though, because they don't want to APPEAR foolish.
It's bad for the gambling atmosphere of the game.

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You have no style. You should have posted for him.

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what a [censored] nit u are op, who gives a [censored].

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I don't think you get it. There was this huge fish that I know quite well who plays poker a bunch that sat on my right the other day. He was there to GAMBLE, and wanted to post right away. The dealer said "it's better to wait" so he just took her advice. He looked disappointed that he ended up waiting. These people just wanna gamble. If the dealer tells them it's better to wait, they listen though, because they don't want to APPEAR foolish.
It's bad for the gambling atmosphere of the game.

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You have no style. You should have posted for him.

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level? do you know how bad this would be for my WR? I play limit. small bets are srs biz.

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more annoying than comments...i was playing a torney at the trop last weekend and the dealer farted at the table

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I once had a dealer lean over and ask me if farts have lumps. At the time I felt that it was totally inappropriate but kept playing and she and I became great friends.

Another reason I prefer live play over online........

GS

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I would have agreed with OP until just last night. I sat down for the first time in a "1-2-2 5 to go" NL game, and let me tell you, it was a rough 60 seconds. I sit down and they are taking time right then (because the seat I was filling was vacated by a dude who didn't want to play the next half hour). Ok, so I give up my 6 chips, whatever. Now I'm in the CO for the first hand and am told I have to post 5 to come in. The blinds are 1-2-2 and I have to post 5? Huh? And then someone starts saying "you have to post 5 and kill it or you can wait" but I had just paid time and didnt really want to wait 7 hands and to be honest I had no freaking clue what was going on. I tried asking the dealer for my "options" and she was not helpful. If she had just said "It's best to post now" that would have been great.

I eventually found out that all new players must post a $5 blind, which "kills" the pot and makes it 10 to go. Any other player may kill the pot at any time he likes. It's like straddling, only you can do it whenever you're not in the blinds.

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I would have agreed with OP until just last night. I sat down for the first time in a "1-2-2 5 to go" NL game, and let me tell you, it was a rough 60 seconds. I sit down and they are taking time right then (because the seat I was filling was vacated by a dude who didn't want to play the next half hour). Ok, so I give up my 6 chips, whatever. Now I'm in the CO for the first hand and am told I have to post 5 to come in. The blinds are 1-2-2 and I have to post 5? Huh? And then someone starts saying "you have to post 5 and kill it or you can wait" but I had just paid time and didnt really want to wait 7 hands and to be honest I had no freaking clue what was going on. I tried asking the dealer for my "options" and she was not helpful. If she had just said "It's best to post now" that would have been great.

I eventually found out that all new players must post a $5 blind, which "kills" the pot and makes it 10 to go. Any other player may kill the pot at any time he likes. It's like straddling, only you can do it whenever you're not in the blinds.

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Yeah, if the rules are like that I would much prefer the dealer to sat which is best rather then go through speech that every time a new player comes in.

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Yeah, if the rules are like that I would much prefer the dealer to sat which is best rather then go through speech that every time a new player comes in.

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And for the brand new to B&M tourist just sitting down for his first 2/4 game, normal rules are like this. I've seen people get deer in headlights looks and be completely speechless and frozen in terror when the first thing the dealer asks when they sit down is "are you posting?" Doesn't help when the dealer tries to "clarify" with something like "you can post a big blind now or wait for the blind and post then, or wait a couple more hands and buy the button, or let the button pass and come in behind". The response is either a deepening look of terror or a plantive "uhhhh... ok?" A simple "you can post or wait two hands for the blind--I'd just wait" will speed things up and make the first impression the player gets match what the floor promised him...that "the dealer will help you figure it out."

You want to cultivate the friendly appearance of the table to the n00bs. Sure, get 'em to do something stupid like post UTG and you may get an extra $2 from 'em one time. Or make friends, convince them this is just like playing on their kitchen table, and they'll come back and give you $200 every weekend long as they're having a good time.

It sounds like in OP's case the player wasn't new. In which case, he knew he had the option to ask to be let in. And if he's as hot-to-play and as bad as we're lead to believe, he probably will ask to be dealt in.

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And for the brand new to B&M tourist just sitting down for his first 2/4 game, normal rules are like this.

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Thank you for crystalizing my point bav. After getting deer in the headlights'ed and almost getting up from the game I was so flustered (and I play 10 hours a week live), I think the dealer should just say "what's best" and have no problem with it.

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Yeah, if the rules are like that I would much prefer the dealer to sat which is best rather then go through speech that every time a new player comes in.

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And for the brand new to B&M tourist just sitting down for his first 2/4 game, normal rules are like this. I've seen people get deer in headlights looks and be completely speechless and frozen in terror when the first thing the dealer asks when they sit down is "are you posting?" Doesn't help when the dealer tries to "clarify" with something like "you can post a big blind now or wait for the blind and post then, or wait a couple more hands and buy the button, or let the button pass and come in behind". The response is either a deepening look of terror or a plantive "uhhhh... ok?" A simple "you can post or wait two hands for the blind--I'd just wait" will speed things up and make the first impression the player gets match what the floor promised him...that "the dealer will help you figure it out."

You want to cultivate the friendly appearance of the table to the n00bs. Sure, get 'em to do something stupid like post UTG and you may get an extra $2 from 'em one time. Or make friends, convince them this is just like playing on their kitchen table, and they'll come back and give you $200 every weekend long as they're having a good time.

It sounds like in OP's case the player wasn't new. In which case, he knew he had the option to ask to be let in. And if he's as hot-to-play and as bad as we're lead to believe, he probably will ask to be dealt in.

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Generally when I see the "Runaway Bride" Deer in the Headlights look, I'll smile at the n00b and say: "You just need to post a Big Blind to see your first cards - you can do it now or wait a couple of hands until you're ready. Oh, and those things are called 'chips'. Good luck!"

They always appreciate the "welcome" to the table. It relieves the tension and the game goes on.

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Playing last night at Bellagio, dealers all seemed good about this. They knew the regulars, and when a tourist sat down it was a variation of "you can pay $4 now, or sit out x hands until you're the big blind." Worked well. They'd either figure it out quick, or the regulars would all chime in telling the fish to post now.

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It sounds like in OP's case the player wasn't new. In which case, he knew he had the option to ask to be let in. And if he's as hot-to-play and as bad as we're lead to believe, he probably will ask to be dealt in.

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he did ask to be dealt in, and he posted, but the dealer told him it was better to wait, so he shrugged and pulled his bet back. This guy ALWAYS posts the second he sits down.

Another dealer stopped a guy from coming in on his blind and explained it was better to come in between. WHAT THE [censored]?
I don't want every goddamn player coming in between from now on.

This seems nitty, but the blinds are srs biz in lhe. You NL guys prob don't give a hoor about any of this, which is understandable.

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If the player doesn't know when an obvious choice of option "A" is better than option "B," I think it's great the the dealer says something. It's often a player new to cardroom poker and if it helps them out, it's good for them, it's good for you, and it's good for the game.

Anyway, sometimes giving them an option is really giving advice. Often a dealer will say to a new player, who is UTG+2 or something, "You want to wait?", meaning, "I'm assuming you want to wait because this is not the best thing to do, to post here so close to the blind."

The only thing a dealer ever does that annoys me is not pay attention.

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The "nice hand" kills me to no end and only tip the dealer $1 when I win a pot no matter the size if they nice hand. I usually follow with a "it wasn't nice for the person that just lost," to get my point across.

However, the worst at the Showboat a few night ago. This guy was playing and winning some pots small to medium in size. He was $1 tipper. During the game he talked about how he was a waiter and it was important to tip 20 percent to waiters. He made some comment about how he should get going cause he has a long drive home and he's up.

The dealer says to him, "Well I'm shocked you any chips left the way you play."

Players at the table were in shock and he drove the guy away who was pretty decent action. The dealer was mad because he only tipped $1/hand and according to the dealers, "It's his game. He can say whatever he wants."

Sadly, dealers like this are making the game unenjoyable. I want to play poker and enjoy myself, not have to worry that dealers are going to drive action away.

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he did ask to be dealt in, and he posted, but the dealer told him it was better to wait,

Another dealer stopped a guy from coming in on his blind and explained it was better to come in between

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These dealers are out of line. SNOWBALL should be annoyed.