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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 (t3035)
MP2 (t1975)
MP3 (t3930)
CO (t3400)
Button (t725)
Hero (t2890)
BB (t4860)
UTG (t3820)
UTG+1 (t2365)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t120</font>, MP1 calls t120, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t450</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t330, MP1 calls t330.

Flop: (t1380) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks,


do you guys bet here ever just in case you are good? i won't

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No. I'd like to hear what others think about the RR pf, too small?

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3 way i check this alot. Heads up though I am betting almost every time. Preflop I make it 520 or so.

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I like the RR size maybe even slightly more like 480 or 500 but that's symantics.

I lead this, repping AK.

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You showed strength pre flop so I would follow thru with a continuation bet here. If its reraised you know your beat.

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A normal continuation here would be about 700, but if we did have an ace aren't we betting even more? It seems wrong to put in at least 700 more, to find out what you should've already known. You made a sizable re-raise behind UTG+1 4x raise and a cold-caller, both of which called, yet your saying that less than 1/3 of the time none of them has an ace... that doesn't seem right.

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You showed strength pre flop so I would follow thru with a continuation bet here. If its reraised or called you know your beat.

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A continuation bet here would be about 1/3 of Hero's stack. And with 2 opponents calling a re-raise preflop they are not folding any ace if you bet.

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This is a tough one. Obviously the two pre flop callers could definately have an ace and if you check you are done with this hand because AQs/AK/AA all lead that flop with the flush draw on the board.


I think a strong bet could definately get a mediocre ace to fold here. You have shown a lot of strength pre flop and so I think i lead here for between 700-800 if called or raised then I am done with it.

Considering the blinds are 15/30, you are still in good shape with 1700+ chips.

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nah, if it checks through i might bet turn/check river. it's too many BB's to toss off on a bluff hoping nobody hit an ace

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nah, if it checks through i might bet turn/check river. it's too many BB's to toss off on a bluff hoping nobody hit an ace

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Fair point, but do you not think it needs a strong ace to make the call?

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Fair point, but do you not think it needs a strong ace to make the call?

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If they are calling a re-raise with ace-rag, they are not folding when an ace hits

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I disagree, I think a strong bet here could make A9/AT/AJ all fold. So your are only getting called by two hands you are behind too. AK and AQ

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Bare with me, I'm drunk. I check the flop and see what villain does. I'm assuming AJ+, TT+ is his range. If villain bets I don't know what we're beating, I would need post flop reads (weak or strong bet).

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I disagree, I think a strong bet here could make A9/AT/AJ all fold. So your are only getting called by two hands you are behind too. AK and AQ

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A9 is really folding?

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Looks fine. I'd make it t480 pf and check flop.

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I disagree, I think a strong bet here could make A9/AT/AJ all fold. So your are only getting called by two hands you are behind too. AK and AQ

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If someone called pf with A9/AT/AJ they're bad enough to not be folding the flop.

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I'd go slightly more preflop, I think you're just offering too good odds to the other players. Though I've started to flat call in similar situations as well, probably don't here.
I check this flop, nobody calls with an ace preflop &amp; folds the flop (well MP1 might if UTG didnt fold but then your dead anyway). I'd check it HU aswell. Betting knocks out worse hands &amp; doesnt knock out any better hands. So don't bet. With 2 other people in here it's a fold if someone bets.

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think a strong bet could definately get a mediocre ace to fold here.

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if mediocre aces like A5-AT gonna call this reraise PF why would they fold the flop ?
and besides some will float inc+ase Suited Clubs

im checking here

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My bad, of course A9 isn't folding. I think you will be suprised how many weak aces with call a three bet pre flop at the lower levels. i think some of you are giving the villains too much credit, as am I I guess thinking they can fold an ace.

I just don't like handing the initiative away...

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pf looks ok... this sucks huge cuz your first to act now... I'd fire 750 on flop. If you get called I'm shutting down and checking turn, unless club peels off, then I might shove... if you get raised, gotta fold.

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Trying to put early round donks on a hand is difficult. In this situation, with a call of your raise Pre flop, he could have almost anything. But I'm guessing the most likely scenarios are:

Ace Rag
Small Pocket pair
Some suited connector

Most bad players without an Ace will play scared. Most bad players with Ace rag here take it all the way.

So a C bet here doesn't really accomplish much. If it's checked to the turn, you are probably ahead. If the villain bets the flop hard you are probably behind.

Later on, when the players are more likley to react logically..I would often make a C bet. Here...I'm with Ham.

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(grunch) Assuming there are no definitive reads yet, I would be willing to C-Bet here, representing the A. I will adjust the hand based on the Villains' reactions.

I cannot fault a conservative approach here, though. It is early in the tourney. You have not committed much of your stack here, and there could be an A out there. Letting it go would be prudent. I'm just not one of them yet (leak?).

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i checked. i mean c'mon we have utg rai and a caller and they survived a reraise.unless they have 10's and jj, one of em has an ace. they didn't call a 3 bet to fold their ace either guys. turned out 1 had aq other had ak