@BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed)

BTN (t1950)
SB (t6050)
BB (t2215)
UTG (t3285)

Preflop: BB is with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] .

SB push 6050, BB Calls

BB is Bigjoe2003, who we all know is very good. poker_in_pb is SB and the games I have played with him shows that he pushes any2 in this spot.

But why do you, Bigjoe2003, call here since the play is -EV even if SB is oushing 100%

Is there another reason for the call? Metagame? Tilt? New theory?

Comlete HH below
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PokerStars Game #13264569016: Tournament #67299695, $315+$20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/11/15 - 20:21:27 (ET)
Table '67299695 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: lilholdem954 (1950 in chips)
Seat 2: poker_in_pb (6050 in chips)
Seat 3: bigjoe2003 (2215 in chips)
Seat 7: coolcj (3285 in chips)
lilholdem954: posts the ante 25
poker_in_pb: posts the ante 25
bigjoe2003: posts the ante 25
coolcj: posts the ante 25
poker_in_pb: posts small blind 100
bigjoe2003: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
coolcj: folds
lilholdem954: folds
poker_in_pb: raises 3000 to 3200
bigjoe2003: calls 1990 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [3h 7s 9c]
*** TURN *** [3h 7s 9c] [Ad]
*** RIVER *** [3h 7s 9c Ad] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
poker_in_pb: shows [Js 5h] (high card Ace)
bigjoe2003: shows [Ah 4d] (a pair of Aces)
bigjoe2003 collected 4480 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4480 | Rake 0
Board [3h 7s 9c Ad 2h]
Seat 1: lilholdem954 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: poker_in_pb (small blind) showed [Js 5h] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 3: bigjoe2003 (big blind) showed [Ah 4d] and won (4480) with a pair of Aces
Seat 7: coolcj folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Re: @BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

Joey was probably too busy flipping through Oz on his diamond studded remote to care about the $50 in equity.

Re: @BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

You're saying this call is -EV, even if SB is pushing with any hand? That's not true. Unless I'm missing something here, Pokerstove is telling me that A4 is better than a 56% favorite to win against an average hand. Seems like a perfectly reasonable call to me.

Re: @BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

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You're saying this call is -EV, even if SB is pushing with any hand? That's not true. Unless I'm missing something here, Pokerstove is telling me that A4 is better than a 56% favorite to win against an average hand. Seems like a perfectly reasonable call to me.

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Re: @BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

Do you guys not own sngpt or believe in ICM?

Re: @BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

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Joey was probably too busy flipping through Oz on his diamond studded remote to care about the $50 in equity.

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That, or he were sniffing coke of some strippers breasts while letting his trained parrot play the tournament...

Re: @BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

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You're saying this call is -EV, even if SB is pushing with any hand? That's not true. Unless I'm missing something here, Pokerstove is telling me that A4 is better than a 56% favorite to win against an average hand. Seems like a perfectly reasonable call to me.

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okay, the first response is from a noob, are you levelin in the quote J?

Re: @BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

-ev if you do it often but occasionally done its probably the best play... and joe knows hes pushing any two and knows hes ahead so he will gamble... but he will not always call here, his results speak for itself bigjoe is the best

Re: @BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

WTF?!?

I ask a simple question directed to Bigjoe2003 and suddenly I get noobattacked like were they willed by some sinister higher being...

Re: @BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

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-ev if you do it often but occasionally done its probably the best play... and joe knows hes pushing any two and knows hes ahead so he will gamble... but he will not always call here, his results speak for itself bigjoe is the best

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Huh?

Re: @BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

Sorry. I'm getting a tipsy. Obv just kidding.

deepfryer, chip EV =/= $ev

lalala.

cliffnotes: bigjoe is a fish

Re: @BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

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You're saying this call is -EV, even if SB is pushing with any hand? That's not true. Unless I'm missing something here, Pokerstove is telling me that A4 is better than a 56% favorite to win against an average hand. Seems like a perfectly reasonable call to me.

[/ QUOTE ]Err. what?
EV and Equity are two different things.

Too lazy to run it through sngwiz, but if OP says its -ev i guess he did. Joey is no bot (i hope), so he made a mistake or had good reason for it, like forcing SB to tighten up his pushing range against joey.

Re: @BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

OP, because poker_in_pb should be viciously spite-called by all of us until his programmer runs out of money/speeds up his code/reprograms around spitecallers.

Re: @BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

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OP, because poker_in_pb should be viciously spite-called by all of us until his programmer runs out of money/speeds up his code/reprograms around spitecallers.

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theres a bot playing the high stakes SnGs??

Re: @BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

I dunno. He might be. We used to think he was for sure. Bottom line is he takes 15 seconds every decision. Anything anyone can say or do to get him banned, including spreading the word that he's a bot, is fair game IMO.

Re: @BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

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I dunno. He might be. We used to think he was for sure. Bottom line is he takes 15 seconds every decision. Anything anyone can say or do to get him banned, including spreading the word that he's a bot, is fair game IMO.

[/ QUOTE ]15s for every decision? wow, sounds weird. Shouldn't be to hard to code a random "waiting time" before the bot does make a move.

Re: @BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

no one likes poker_in_pb.

hes #2 to ih8money.

Re: @BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

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no one likes poker_in_pb.

hes #2 to ih8money.

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at least ih8money does not show up on the forum and start stupid threads:

"whats up with this 10-man $225 turbo"

"stars told me to play faster, but i don't think i have to"

so i say in order of who needs to be spite called:

#1 poker_in_pb
#2 ih8money

honorable mention: DuderionAB, mkgringo, Fisheater1111, Gkastone

and a big congrats to boku87, he is no longer a turd... i've actually started thinking about making plays that may actually help his equity.

Re: @BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

Seems like a pretty bad call, Im sure he had some metagame reasons or some crap, who knows. I'd fold though.

Re: @BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

Terribly sorry for "noobattacking" you. In the future if you have a question for one specific person, I would suggest sending them a private message.

I haven't been here for a couple years, didn't realize the civility of these forums had degenerated quite so far...

Have a terrific evening.

Re: @BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

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You're saying this call is -EV, even if SB is pushing with any hand? That's not true. Unless I'm missing something here, Pokerstove is telling me that A4 is better than a 56% favorite to win against an average hand. Seems like a perfectly reasonable call to me.

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okay, the first response is from a noob, are you levelin in the quote J?

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obvious level. unless you are leveling me

Re: @BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

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Terribly sorry for "noobattacking" you. In the future if you have a question for one specific person, I would suggest sending them a private message.

I haven't been here for a couple years, didn't realize the civility of these forums had degenerated quite so far...

Have a terrific evening.

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One of the better levels I've seen.

Re: @BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

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Terribly sorry for "noobattacking" you. In the future if you have a question for one specific person, I would suggest sending them a private message.

I haven't been here for a couple years, didn't realize the civility of these forums had degenerated quite so far...

Have a terrific evening.

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By terrific you mean terrible? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Re: @BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

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no one likes poker_in_pb.

hes #2 to ih8money.

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at least ih8money does not show up on the forum and start stupid threads:

"whats up with this 10-man $225 turbo"

"stars told me to play faster, but i don't think i have to"

so i say in order of who needs to be spite called:

#1 poker_in_pb
#2 ih8money

honorable mention: DuderionAB, mkgringo, Fisheater1111, Gkastone

and a big congrats to boku87, he is no longer a turd... i've actually started thinking about making plays that may actually help his equity.

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You should probably take ih8money off the list, its not a spitecall if you're ahead. I wouldnt be opposed to spitecalling blue lipton either if he was still playing alot

Re: @BigJoe2003: Why do you call here? (bubble)
 

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so i say in order of who needs to be spite called:

#1 poker_in_pb
#2 ih8money

honorable mention: DuderinoAB

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Noooooooooooooooooo...cmon...I'm really a nice guy.