21.5 BB/100 over 25K hands. How crazy is this?
 

I've been playing a while, but just started to look into my PT numbers. In most of my games, I am about a 5 BB/100 hand player so far, but I found it shocking that my results at one level were WAY different. At the 6 person $1/$2 NL level over 25K hands I'm showing a profit of 21.5 BB/100? Now I know 25K hands isn't a HUGE sample, but it's not a small sample either.

I'm not posting this to brag...really, I just want to know how crazy this is. What do these types of results mean over 25K hands? I know these results can't hold up over a larger sample of hands, but isn't 25K hands enough to start making some safe assumpions about future expectations? If so, what future expectations can safely be made?

Thanks in advance.

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superuser imo

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For some reason I think you're posting this to brag.

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I AM posting this to brag...really



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FYP if u weren't postin to brag it wouldnt be in this forum

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beat: running at 21 pt/bb at 1/2 is the same as 4.2 pt/bb at 1knl which I sustain

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Ok, can we just address the question of what this could mean for future expectations? There is no way to keep up this type of return.

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beat: running at 21 pt/bb at 1/2 is the same as 4.2 pt/bb at 1knl which I sustain

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LA DEE DA MR 500/HR

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ahnuld, I didn't follow what you wrote. Can you please explain what those numbers mean?

I was actually showing 10.75 BB/100 on my PT, but was told PT calculates the "BB" as big bet not big blind. So I clicked the "Treat 'BB' for NL/PL as Big Blind Amount" in the PT preferences and now it shows 21.5 BB/100.

THANKS.

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ahnuld, I didn't follow what you wrote. Can you please explain what those numbers mean?

I was actually showing 10.75 BB/100 on my PT, but was told PT calculates the "BB" as big bet not big blind. So I clicked the "Treat 'BB' for NL/PL as Big Blind Amount" in the PT preferences and now it shows 21.5 BB/100.

THANKS.

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That makes sense.

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25k hands is not even close enough to a reasonable sample size to determine your "true winrate." That being said, winrate is an inherently flawed statistic.

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ffr,

If you also know how to shoot a fish with a gun i'd say you're a renaissance man and total package.

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ahnuld, I didn't follow what you wrote. Can you please explain what those numbers mean?

I was actually showing 10.75 BB/100 on my PT, but was told PT calculates the "BB" as big bet not big blind. So I clicked the "Treat 'BB' for NL/PL as Big Blind Amount" in the PT preferences and now it shows 21.5 BB/100.

THANKS.

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so it's 10.75 ptbb/100? this is not that crazy, especially over only 25k hands.

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I'm not asking wheter or not this is my tru winrate. I understand that this type of winrate can't be sustainable over a larger sample size.

I was just trying to see what can be safely assumed from the results so far. If a player is at 21.5 bb/100 over 25K, can it ALL be based on a CRAZY good run of cards? That seems unlikely as well, right?

I was just trying to see what people here felt this type of stat meant for future expectations (if anything can be gathered from it, really).

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ahnuld, I didn't follow what you wrote. Can you please explain what those numbers mean?

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He said that that running at 21 pokertrackers per big blind at 0.5 is the same as 4.2 pokertrackers per big blind at 1000nl

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I was just trying to see what can be safely assumed from the results so far. If a player is at 21.5 bb/100 over 25K, can it ALL be based on a CRAZY good run of cards? That seems unlikely as well, right?


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You are most likely a losing player.

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10.5 pt/bb is sustainable for the best players at 1/2 but they always move up and dont stay there. Im pretty sure I know a lot of guys who could do it 6 tabling over 100k hands. Doesnt mean OP's winrate is sustainable, but its possible

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Okay, I give up on this thread...lol. I can why it looks like I was just trying to brag, but that wasn't my intention. I was really curious as to what these results so far might transate into future expectations.

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I played 1 or two tables at the most. The swings were crazy so I wanted to try switching to full ring games and multitable anywhere from usually 4-6 at a time. The swings are less and the winrate at each table has drastically dropped, but the overall profit seems similar (slightly less actually). I was assuming the 21.5 bb/100 is out of the question to sustain so I should stick with multitabling full ring games. It seems I got my answer, thanks.

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ahnuld, I didn't follow what you wrote. Can you please explain what those numbers mean?

I was actually showing 10.75 BB/100 on my PT, but was told PT calculates the "BB" as big bet not big blind. So I clicked the "Treat 'BB' for NL/PL as Big Blind Amount" in the PT preferences and now it shows 21.5 BB/100.

THANKS.

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so it's 10.75 ptbb/100? this is not that crazy, especially over only 25k hands.

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SERIOUSLY

http://s26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...er2/22khot.jpg

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10bb/100 is impossible to sustain for over like, 65 hands. Superuser imo.

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10BB/100 is impossible to sustain even if just playing one table?

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It's sustainable HU

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q303/MaterLJ/22k.jpg

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ahnuld, I didn't follow what you wrote. Can you please explain what those numbers mean?

I was actually showing 10.75 BB/100 on my PT, but was told PT calculates the "BB" as big bet not big blind. So I clicked the "Treat 'BB' for NL/PL as Big Blind Amount" in the PT preferences and now it shows 21.5 BB/100.

THANKS.

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so it's 10.75 ptbb/100? this is not that crazy, especially over only 25k hands.

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SERIOUSLY

http://s26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...er2/22khot.jpg

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goofy how many tables u normally play?

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10BB/100 is impossible to sustain even if just playing one table?

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multitabling will inevitably decrease your BB/100h ratio, but you are playing more tables so essentially you make more raw cash.

I play 1-2 tables as well at .5/1NL and hold up a winrate close to yours..Given you play one table, 25k hands is substantial..Though its not completely reliable, clearly you're a winning player

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do you watch pr0n while you play? if so what genre or subfetish?

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Also, you're talking to a forum full of people who play 4+ tables at once...usually more...At one table, these players have less time to deduct optimal strategy.. They usually just fastplay, like it or not. its the truth.

Slowplays, elaborate steals, etc are becoming a lost art.. Yeah, 8tablers think they win all the pots they should, and always get it in good, but there are always better ways to play a hand if you have the time to address it..

Find out for yourself...I have a feeling, though, that you are similar to me and are just being biased by the overwhelming multitabling majority.. It is possible to annihilate a table every time and avoid a lot of marginal situations that multitablers do not if you're only playing 1 table.

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It's sustainable HU

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q303/MaterLJ/22k.jpg

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I don't get it. You posted this 2 weeks ago.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q...EAKEVENLOL.jpg

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Also, you're talking to a forum full of people who play 4+ tables at once...usually more...At one table, these players have less time to deduct optimal strategy.. They usually just fastplay, like it or not. its the truth.

Slowplays, elaborate steals, etc are becoming a lost art..

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Yeah, 8tablers think they win all the pots they should, and always get it in good, but there are always better ways to play a hand if you have the time to address it..


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HAHAHAHAHA

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ahnuld, I didn't follow what you wrote. Can you please explain what those numbers mean?

I was actually showing 10.75 BB/100 on my PT, but was told PT calculates the "BB" as big bet not big blind. So I clicked the "Treat 'BB' for NL/PL as Big Blind Amount" in the PT preferences and now it shows 21.5 BB/100.

THANKS.

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so it's 10.75 ptbb/100? this is not that crazy, especially over only 25k hands.

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I call shenanigans. You photoshopped that.















This amount of hands would take you WAYYYY longer than 87 days.

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Also, you're talking to a forum full of people who play 4+ tables at once...usually more...At one table, these players have less time to deduct optimal strategy.. They usually just fastplay, like it or not. its the truth.

Slowplays, elaborate steals, etc are becoming a lost art.. Yeah, 8tablers think they win all the pots they should, and always get it in good, but there are always better ways to play a hand if you have the time to address it..

Find out for yourself...I have a feeling, though, that you are similar to me and are just being biased by the overwhelming multitabling majority.. It is possible to annihilate a table every time and avoid a lot of marginal situations that multitablers do not if you're only playing 1 table.

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if you can make 10ptbb 1 tabling or 5 ptbb 6 tabling, which do you think is more +ev

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http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9021/125jg5.jpg
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massive beat. why haven't you moved up?

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ahnuld, I didn't follow what you wrote. Can you please explain what those numbers mean?

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He said that that running at 21 pokertrackers per big blind at 0.5 is the same as 4.2 pokertrackers per big blind at 1000nl

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But I only have one pokertracker installed?

Should I order pokertracker stud or omaha, which one? My friend uses software called poker office and says it is better, is this true? How many ptbb can I get using it?

Thanks for all the good tips in this thread guys, I feel I have learned a lot.

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well i actually am running just under 8ptbb over 90k hands of hu.

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I don't get it. You posted this 2 weeks ago.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q...EAKEVENLOL.jpg

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We are just talking 1/2

Here's an updated version of the graph I posted 2 weeks ago.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q...erLJ/total.jpg

I've added this thing called "game selection" to my game, it helps.

Hands 17k onward are at 1/2 heads up, the prior hands are from 2/4+.

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10.5 pt/bb is sustainable for the best players at 1/2 but they always move up and dont stay there. Im pretty sure I know a lot of guys who could do it 6 tabling over 100k hands. Doesnt mean OP's winrate is sustainable, but its possible

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prop bet?

I know this would never go down unless I got more people to put up money with me, but I would bet 10k (maybe less if you got a real superstar, but no less than 2k) that pretty much noone has a 10PTBB expectation at 1/2 at stars or FT 6 max.

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10.5 pt/bb is sustainable for the best players at 1/2 but they always move up and dont stay there. Im pretty sure I know a lot of guys who could do it 6 tabling over 100k hands. Doesnt mean OP's winrate is sustainable, but its possible

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prop bet?

I know this would never go down unless I got more people to put up money with me, but I would bet 10k (maybe less if you got a real superstar, but no less than 2k) that pretty much noone has a 10PTBB expectation at 1/2 at stars or FT 6 max.

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over how many hands?

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10.5 pt/bb is sustainable for the best players at 1/2 but they always move up and dont stay there. Im pretty sure I know a lot of guys who could do it 6 tabling over 100k hands. Doesnt mean OP's winrate is sustainable, but its possible

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prop bet?

I know this would never go down unless I got more people to put up money with me, but I would bet 10k (maybe less if you got a real superstar, but no less than 2k) that pretty much noone has a 10PTBB expectation at 1/2 at stars or FT 6 max.

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over how many hands?

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100k, like in the quoted post. I would be willing to do less money for less hands.