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11-15-2007 08:56 AM

set against Tag on wet board.
 
I know my turn betsize sucked. villain is TAG 18/15/5 over a big sample. He probably has me around 22/19/4. Comments on all streets appreciated.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG ($46.60)
MP ($20.85)
Button ($9.80)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($55.75)</font>
<font color="#C00000">BB ($63.45)</font>

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, BB calls $2, MP folds, Button folds.

Turn: ($6) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $11</font>, Hero calls $8.

River: ($28) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $23</font>, Hero calls $23.

Final Pot: $74

corsakh 11-15-2007 09:00 AM

Re: set against Tag on wet board.
 
If you are calling turn with the intention to stack off on any non heart river, you should push turn.

xoom 11-15-2007 09:03 AM

Re: set against Tag on wet board.
 
Just push AI on the turn. He could easily have a combo-draw or two pair here. If he turned the straight with 67 that's just bad luck, because he will probably play combo-draws and two pair the same on the turn.

I'm not sure if I like the call on the river. 34cc got there, 8cXc got there, 67 had you on the turn. Bet/fold is better here imo. Make a blocking bet of about 14.

derosnec 11-15-2007 11:02 AM

Re: set against Tag on wet board.
 
on the turn, i put his range: 67, 98, 22 (people do slowplay 22 on drawy flops alot). he's raising 88 pf, as well as overpairs. he's not playing A8/A9, etc this way. doubt he raised you with a flush draw on turn.

here's the thing though: there are more combos of 67 than 22 and 98 combined.

Brian O'Nolan 11-15-2007 11:08 AM

Re: set against Tag on wet board.
 
How do you run 22/19 and not raise that [censored] up pf? This hand is soooo much easier if you'd done that. As played, turn sucks... I tend to shove if you think villain can be raising with JhTh, 4c3c, etc, but it is a limped pot... I would expect 67 to raise the turn more but you should have a decent read on what that raise size means from villain. As for calling the river... would he valuebet a straight here? The only hand I can really see you beating is missed hearts, but there are a lot more heart flush draws that villain would get there with than club draws so I think I like the river check/call as played, obv. depending somewhat on villian's river tendencies.

EMc 11-15-2007 11:11 AM

Re: set against Tag on wet board.
 
I like your line a lot better if you were the 18/15 and he teh 22/19.

That said he has 2 pair+ here almost always. Im not sure if hes playing for stacks on the turn so your line isnt that bad. As played on the river it needs to be a check/shobe/

traz 11-15-2007 11:12 AM

Re: set against Tag on wet board.
 
shove turn before a scarecard falls

skibbel 11-15-2007 11:35 AM

Re: set against Tag on wet board.
 
I don't like to slowplay at that turn, so many crappy rivers.

I definitly 3-bet the turn.

KCrow 11-15-2007 11:38 AM

Re: set against Tag on wet board.
 
I'd raise pf. As played bet more on the turn and shove to the raise.

sightless 11-15-2007 12:37 PM

Re: set against Tag on wet board.
 
holy cow 3bet that turn man and get it all in

derosnec 11-15-2007 12:51 PM

Re: set against Tag on wet board.
 
i didn't know villain is BB.

he can have any crappy two pair here (82, 85, etc) since he checked pf. yeah i'd 3bet turn without a doubt.

11-15-2007 06:29 PM

Re: set against Tag on wet board.
 
Sorry I didn`t reply to this earlier. I left for the bakery and the car broke down. Timing belt broke ...

Thanks for replies. I have about 2k hands on oponent, and don`t really know how to explain this, I felt villain had 67 of hearts or 69 hearts. I was actualy hoping to get to showdown cheap. Can`t really explain why, but usualy oponnent and I really don`t mess with each other and usualy just try milk the fish at the table, for some reason I put him on exactly 7h6h and made the smallish 3$ and my read on him was that he would not raise 2 pair on that turn, so I hoped to fill up by the river. In retroperspective it looks terrible weak to me, but somehow felt right at the moment.

Villain had 67o btw so my read regarding hearts was off.

For posters who gonna say it`s weak tight play, they are probably right, but for some reason I went with a read.


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