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betgo 11-14-2007 10:52 PM

Official Review Thread: markbris $10/$100K win
 
Bonds has handed over the official review threads to me. If you want to submit one, please still send to [email protected].

This one is a $100K win by a 4/180 player and fairly regular poster. It is a bit long. I plan on commenting on it myself later.

http://www.pokerxfactor.com/HA96785/100K/10903

markbris 11-14-2007 11:02 PM

Re: Official Review Thread: markbris $10/$100K win
 
Go easy on me guys haha. I have gone thru this one myself actually a couple weeks ago when bond put it on pxf for me. Ill be happy to answer any questions.

Jesuitical 11-14-2007 11:09 PM

Re: Official Review Thread: markbris $10/$100K win
 
He outlasted 16000+ players? I don't care how bad the play is -- that's impressive. How many of the best poker players in the world can say they've done that...

Actually I remember one Sunday BeL0WaB0Ve decided to play, and he was the chip leader with like 40 left. then got coolered and knocked out around 30th (I think). That would have been pretty crazy had he won.

markbris 11-15-2007 02:25 PM

Re: Official Review Thread: markbris $10/$100K win
 
Bump just so more people could see this.

ZenMusician 11-15-2007 02:36 PM

Re: Official Review Thread: markbris $10/$100K win
 
Watching at work now...

-ZEN

Win.by.TKo 11-15-2007 03:07 PM

Re: Official Review Thread: markbris $10/$100K win
 
Looking at the first 39 hands, it looked like you had nothing to work with. Clicking on the 'Luck' tab, it ranked your luck factor at 1 (lowest possible). With that amount of (bad) luck, along with the suckout you lost on hand 19, it's incredible to me that you handled adversity extremely well.

EroTheMad 11-15-2007 04:08 PM

Re: Official Review Thread: markbris $10/$100K win
 
Congratulations. Watching now and on 43th hand. Justice has come [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

Win.by.TKo 11-15-2007 04:16 PM

Re: Official Review Thread: markbris $10/$100K win
 
There is more justice to follow within the first 200 hands. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Willd 11-15-2007 04:24 PM

Re: Official Review Thread: markbris $10/$100K win
 
I watched the first ~450 hands, although I only watched hands you were involved in so my comments don't accomodate for table dynamics. There wasn't much that was non-standard as far as I could tell, there were a few other hands I might have played differently but these were the only ones where I thought I found mistakes.

Hand 62 - This is fairly close but I would normally fold. To shove I would need some sort of read that villain was very tight. Make it 2 or 3bb shorter effective stacks and I think it's fine against all except very loose villains.

Hand 82 - I probably iso shove here unless bb was a complete nit and I would feel comfortable folding to a shove from him (would have to be shoving only ~TT+/AK).

Hand 106 - Preflop is close but a call is probably fine. I check/fold this flop a lot though as most unknowns won't semi-bluff into a dry side pot so you'll almost never be made to fold the best hand and there's very little value either as you won't get called by anything less than an A (maybe a high pp with a diamond).

Hand 129 - I don't know if this was the bubble or anyting but I wouldn't normally raise this from EP. I also check back the flop a lot as getting c/r here sucks when you probably have ~7 outs if behind.

Hand 148 - I fold this unless both blinds were really tight. Getting shoved on by sb sucks as you're getting great odds but will still have a closeish decision as your hand is so bad. Also the bb is so short that he's going to be looking for a spot to get it in so will normally be calling/shoving quite wide.

Hand 271 - If villain had been opening at all often in LP then I'm shoving this a lot.

Hand 285 - You seem to flat call everywhere I'd iso and shove everywhere I'd flat. Here I'm wanting action so I'll flat call to try to get weaker hands to overshove behind.

I will hopefully watch the last 300 or so hands of the FT bubble/FT some other time. Congratulations on the big score.

betgo 11-15-2007 07:03 PM

Re: Official Review Thread: markbris $10/$100K win
 
OK, these are my comments.

106. Fold preflop.

118. Bet the set on the turn into the dry sidepot.

129. I would fold A5o in early position.

156. Overcall the short stack pushes with AQo.

245. I would push preflop at the short stack late position limper with KQ in the BB.

271. I would usually resteal with A9s in the BB versus a CO raise.

296. This may be a call of the reraise allin of your CO raise with 88.

303. Tight open fold of 76s on the button.

319. I would usually push with KQo against the CO raise.

431. KTs 12xBB in hijack. Tight open fold. Push or raise small.

451. Open push JTs for 9xBB in hijack.

490. Possible resteal spot with 44.

510. Push on flop with flush draw to minbet from blinds.

550. Think you reraise/folded too much of your stack.

565. I would call or push with T9s the open raise from the SB.

571. What does the push on the turn accomplish?

600. Bet the flop. Don’t you bet the flop without an ace. Raise the turn: he may have trips and you want to get value.

695 & 698. Bluff the flop with 6-high, since that is the only way you win.

738. Again, you have 5-high so you need to bluff HU.

AceofSpades 11-15-2007 08:22 PM

Re: Official Review Thread: markbris $10/$100K win
 
I skipped a few and did 450-600

450 - T8s you could raise/shove this on btn

451 - JTs probably worth a raise table seems tight

454 - J6o possible resteal shove

458 - K6o possible resteal shove (he raised weaker than his
standard raise, which could be a trap, but he did it at another time so it's not as likely)

482 - You're getting good odds on calling, but he's loose and aggro, most of the he'll be putting you all in on the flop when you miss or force you to call your stack off on a flush draw, combine that with the real possibility of domination and I fold here. AJ+ I shove

528 - maybe decent fold, but he may be tilt shoving here with a wide range. against any ace/pair/broadway it's an ev+ call.

540 - 89s I'd raise this on the btn here

550 - A8o, I'm not sure about this hand, if you think he's getting out of line raising, then ATC works here. Repopping for value against this aggro loose guy (not intending to call a push) with a hand that doesn't play that well post flop doesn't seem like a good idea. I kinda like a call here.

556 - fold preflop. What does everyone think of bluffing this river? It may be results oriented but if he has a king, that's one card that's not a heart. looking at stack sizes I think you'd need to shove here.

575 - out of position and with 1/10 of your stack size already in the pot, I'd just shove here. you don't need to balance your image by reraising with strong hands because you aren't restealing at all.

599 - you could bet river for value here smallish
600 - shove river? or go 10k? I know it's an overbet but villian is very likely leading river with a hand he likes here/air. Especially after getting called on the turn. A straight/jacks full/naked ace might not get it all in fearing the better Ax house but they will call I think.

markbris 11-16-2007 08:12 PM

Re: Official Review Thread: markbris $10/$100K win
 
Hand 62 : Yea i dont remember my exact line of thinking here but I guess I was willing to gamble and if i I had known he was calling that loose I wouldnt have done it. To the best of my recollection tho I didnt know he was that loose. I could be wrong tho, its been a while.

Hand 82: I like the idea of iso shoving here as well. I think I was thinking at the time that he wasnt coming in without a premo anyways since it was a good size allin so I figured he was pushing very rarely. I would have been committed anyways tho unless I could put him on a tight range like you said, so iso shoving seems fine.

Hand 106: I agree with you here too and actually I think I shoulda just folded preflop. At the time I dont think I realized how much of his stack CO called off for the raise. Check/folding seems more reasonable too as he probably wont bluff into it.

Hand 118: This is one of the hands I talked to people about when i reviewed it myself and I def shoulda bet turn to start getting value, Q is a good card to have hit him as well.

Hand 129: I dont think it was the bubble, although it might have been getting close. What I do remember was that I had realized the table had tightened down a good bit and I was trying to take advantage at this point. The table had been tight and I figured a cont bet was taking a high percentage so I fired it.

Hand 148: I agree I should be folding here, sometimes when I get aggressive tho I tend to overextend sometimes and this was one of those. I think I was planning on folding to the push but luckily he stop n go'ed and i slammed the flop.

Hand 271- He had been at the table lik 13 hands and opened twice, once in mp and ep so that probably explains why I didnt. I would be pushing here too if he seemed active.

Hand 285- I dont think it matters whether I flat here. If everyone was deep It would but pretty much no one is going to be able to shove and take me off the hand. Almost every stack doesnt have much more than the guy that pushed so they arent changing what they are doing here whether I shoved or just flat I dont think.

markbris 11-16-2007 08:42 PM

Re: Official Review Thread: markbris $10/$100K win
 

First of all, thanks for taking these over Betgo and I know you always take the time to review most of the ones bond had posted. Thanks for that and for taking the time to review mine, your insight is great to hear. Im always trying to learn and you are very helpful. Thanks to anyone else that replied as well.


Hand 156: Another one I talked about when i reviewed it, they are only pushling like 6xbb and 12xbb each so I shoulda called as theyre ranges arent that tight.

Hand 245: I like pushing here too, hes unlikely to be limping a big hand in late. Good opportunity to pick up chips, most likely I was just too weak to make myself push here.

271: He had not raised much since I got to the table so I let this one go, if he had been more active I would have restolen.

296: I think people were playing tighter at this point in the tournament and I just didn't think he was doing it light really. Its close but mostly read dependent I think.

303: I think this was directly related to hand 296 since he had moved in on me just an orbit ago I was skittish about raising weak here.

319: I think I shoulda pushed here, I dont think he had been really active though and I think I had been told he was one of the better players at the table so I shyed away from it here.

431: Yea this was a tight fold. I think I was just being timid at the final table and close to big money. Something I need to work on.

451: Same as 431

490: Same as the KQ hand from earlier, I think I was mostly staying out of this guys way, partially timid too. I think I shoulda been pushing here tho.

510: This was another hand I talked with some 2+2ers about and had determined this was def a push on the flop. I think I was just being timid and was getting such a good price that I would just peel one but I shoulda pushed.

550: Arguably my worst hand of the tournament. I immediately regretted this one. I think I was thinking that he wouldnt reraise me as he had been pretty active I was expecting a fold here almost always or at worst a call from him. I wasnt thinking ahead at all tho for if he pushed. I didnt feel like I could call though once he did as I thought his 4bet range was really tight. I think I shoulda just flatcalled and played against him for cheap since he had been opening alot. Bottom line I shouldnt have been 3betting here if I couldnt call a 4 bet.

565: I think you mean 89s on this one but I dont feel like I can call for that much of my stack and deuce had been the tightest player at the FT probably and had not messed with me at all 3 handed really. So I was fine with folding.

571: Another one I pinpointed and talked about. I played this one godawfully as well. He had been tight so I think I shoulda just bet the flop and shutdown if called. I doubt he fires the turn as a bluff much because as I said he had been pretty tight and passive. The turn push is worthless cuz he only calls when hes beating me. like i said, badly played, thankfully my luckbox was ready

600: Def shoulda bet the flop, theres a later hand where i again flop trip aces and do bet the flop realizing my mistake. shoulda raised the turn as well as he rarely fires a bluff here so he most likely has something he likes and I need to get value. another one i talked about with some people afterwards

695 and 698: Yea shoulda bet the flop for the reason you said, I had just been playing pretty passively and not messing with him at this point but I need to be more aggro and just take it, esp with him playing tight.

738: same as previous hands

markbris 11-16-2007 09:06 PM

Re: Official Review Thread: markbris $10/$100K win
 
First of all, thanks for taking the time to go through these aceofspades and write comments on the tournament.

450: Coulda shoved here like you said, think I was just playing a bit tight at this point. It might have been right before the deal as well so that might have played into it, i dont remember tho.

454: He had been somewhat active but I was staying out of his way and J6 sux. thats about it i guess

458: Another one thats close but I dont think this guy was messing with me all that much. he coulda been and I could just be a wuss but I dunno. I just stayed out of his way mostly

482: I shove AJ+ here as well. I dont think I should have raised in the first place as he had done this to me last orbit as well and I shouldnt be raise/folding here really. I think its an openfold with my stack size or a straight push but I like openfold.

528: Deuce had been tight the entire FT and had not messed with me really at all. i think this was def a fold, might be closer than I thought but I lean towards folding. the tilt factor that u said would be the only thing that would want to maybe make me call.

540: Yea coulda raised here, I prolly just decided to give it a break this orbit.

550: Went over this one already, I like a call here too. I acted before I thought about all the actions he might take, bad move.

556: I dont mind calling here really as he has been mini raise opening alot from the button and his range is wide. As far as the river bluff goes, I dont have a clue whether he has a heart or not. I might be able to bluff the river if i was in position but oop I just dont think its good.

575- Im confused as to where you want to shove on this hand, could you please clarify and i will respond.

599- I could bet the river but I think its really thin. I would rather check the river and give him a chance to bluff.

600- I shoulda gone higher here Im pretty sure, more like 8-9 mil. def not shove though. I dont think he rarely calls if I shove just by the way he had been playing. I discussed the rest of this hand in my previous post.

AceofSpades 11-18-2007 10:18 PM

Re: Official Review Thread: markbris $10/$100K win
 
[ QUOTE ]
First of all, thanks for taking the time to go through these aceofspades and write comments on the tournament.
575- Im confused as to where you want to shove on this hand, could you please clarify and i will respond.


[/ QUOTE ]

Sorry it was a different AQ hand #592.

udbrky 11-19-2007 04:15 PM

Re: Official Review Thread: markbris $10/$100K win
 
Hand 118: I like checking it to induce a bluff from an aggressive player, but at some point, probably the turn, I'd bet.

markbris 11-19-2007 05:33 PM

Re: Official Review Thread: markbris $10/$100K win
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
First of all, thanks for taking the time to go through these aceofspades and write comments on the tournament.
575- Im confused as to where you want to shove on this hand, could you please clarify and i will respond.


[/ QUOTE ]

Sorry it was a different AQ hand #592.

[/ QUOTE ]

I thought it was too much of an overbet to just shove here.


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