Possibly really bad flop play blind vs blind
 

I've been playing insanely aggressive against this guy, having 3bet him several times and also calling a few of his preflop raises and raising the flop, a few bluffs of mine have been shown down. He probably thinks I'm insane. His stats are like 32/17 and he's a bit donkish but competent. I think he shoves any reasonable draw here, potentially any pair, and who knows what else. My read could be wrong, but I really think he is poised to do something very dumb.

I'm getting like 1.75-1 or so on the flop, and I figure to also have a good amount of outs when behind (I'm even 30% vs KK/QQ), have the best hand sometimes, etc. Is this just flat out spew or does this have merit?

Party Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 3 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $543.10
Hero (BB): $394
BTN: $400

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $16</font>, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($32) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $20</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $74</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $527.10 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $304 and is All-In

Re: Possibly really bad flop play blind vs blind
 

re-raise pre. as played, fold to the push post-flop.

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Do not like

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I like the flop raise but I had the call.
What range do you give the SB that this could be profitable?

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I'd rather smooth this flop. As played, meh, I fold. I'd much rather call with AK.

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i think his initial flop bet sizing is fairly telling as wanting to b3b, but this could be too site/player specific to get a great read on.

i don't *hate* this but we definitely look fishy no matter where the pot ships

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He probably thinks I'm insane.

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I would confirm that. Um wait for a + ev situation? I don't even like being the shover here with your image let alone calling off a stack waadafuuhh?.

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when his AK high wins he will own your soul for the rest of your life.

this is one of those calls you feel great about when you snap call it, and then realize 2 seconds later you totally missed the fact that you are not even close to ahead of his range

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Looks like you will run into too many instances of AK/AQ/6hXh/pair+draw for this to be profitable. I know it's a bad line, but "find a better spot" seems to apply here (read: this guy will likely play overaggro against you in the future when your spot is actually +EV)

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what triumph said

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i feel like if u had reraised pre adn u were making a case for calling all in citing him just being sick of u as the reason for claling that it would seem like well ok i could see how u felt that way but i mean seriously most ppl dotn have it in them to make this sorta play with anything that AJ has any sorta prayer against except maybe two live overcards if he has like TT or something as has already been said even some bluffs are beating u here

edit: i should say that i think the reason its easier to believe hes just sick of u if u ahd three bet pre cuz then his bluff will just be to checkraise all in where as in this case hes putting in the third bet rather than just the second which i think makes a big difference

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raising and trying to get it in pre &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; this.
his pushing range (bluffing) is wayyyyy bigger preflop than on this flop

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what triumph said

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btw. if u do this. why not call flop and raise any turn, u have way more FE

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lol wtf? do you really think he's gonna overbet shove with QJ here or something

come on man, this is a terrible board for him to be shoving with less than ace high

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possibly?

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i like.

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I don't like it. This is the 'tilt' I get from running good and aggro. I overdo it and regret it.

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tufat is right also

like you are sometimes good here but he almost always has 6 outs

and often you are doing awful here and have 3 outs and 4 outs to chop, or 7 outs, or 10 outs

seriously you had no intention of calling a shove when you raised the first time, but all of the sudden your brain said 'this would be a sick call!' and your mouse hand agreed

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Meh it might be profitable but your read better be dead on

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wow.

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yeppers, 3b pre, now fold

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i wouldnt raise the flop

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seriously you had no intention of calling a shove when you raised the first time, but all of the sudden your brain said 'this would be a sick call!' and your mouse hand agreed

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Sums it up really well actually, nh.

Villain had AA. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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good for meta then obviously:)

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You can push someone around for a month of sundays, but if you spew like this then it is all in vain.