AKs got lucky. +EV?
 

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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BB: $100
UTG: $134
Hero (CO): $114.60
BTN: $72.85
SB: $88.05

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $16</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($33) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $25</font>, Hero calls $25

Turn: ($83) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($83) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $47.05 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $47.05

I dont like the flop call and i think the turn check is even worse.

How do you play it?

Re: AKs got lucky. +EV?
 

Shove the flop definitely. If I didn't do that, shove the turn.

Re: AKs got lucky. +EV?
 

push flop

Re: AKs got lucky. +EV?
 

shove flop

Re: AKs got lucky. +EV?
 

Shove flop.

Given call, shove turn.

Re: AKs got lucky. +EV?
 

Yeah, they're right... shove flop.

Re: AKs got lucky. +EV?
 

shove flop

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Why do i want to shove the flop?

Im so bad at shoving [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: AKs got lucky. +EV?
 

Because you potentially have two overcards and a flush draw, and you have some fold equity probably. You're ahead of his range.

Re: AKs got lucky. +EV?
 

ok ty

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Why do i want to shove the flop?

Im so bad at shoving [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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shoving puts your opponent to a decision for all his chips, yo.

plus its fun

Re: AKs got lucky. +EV?
 

Shove anywhere

Re: AKs got lucky. +EV?
 

Shoving the flop is a bold and aggressive play which puts your opponent on a decision for all his chips, ldo

But seriously, you have too much equity here to just call the flop, and then what, check/fold a blank turn? Or, if you're calling all in on a blank turn, why not just shove the flop yourself and maximize your fold equity?

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I'm also all aboard the shove flop suggestion. I'm guessing this guy had kings and was scared you set queens. At any rate, if you shove flop you can take the pot down right there vs a nit &amp; you have 12 outs vs kings.

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also by not shoving you may not get action when you hit a diamond

Re: AKs got lucky. +EV?
 

Shove flop or turn.

Re: AKs got lucky. +EV?
 

yah standard flop shove

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Shove anywhere

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Hey guys, i 've been reading 2+2 for some time now, but i decided to make my first post

cant u ad AA, KKor QQ to his range (hard to say since we dont have numbers on villain)
and if u add these to his range, is it still a push, since the A and K are no longer outs

feel free to correct me, i'm here to learn

Re: AKs got lucky. +EV?
 

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Hey guys, i 've been reading 2+2 for some time now, but i decided to make my first post

cant u ad AA, KKor QQ to his range (hard to say since we dont have numbers on villain)
and if u add these to his range, is it still a push, since the A and K are no longer outs

feel free to correct me, i'm here to learn

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AA/KK/QQ is def in his range, but our equity vs his range when called combined with our folding equity is still easily enough to push since there's also JJ/TT/AK and som other hands in there.

Re: AKs got lucky. +EV?
 

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Hey guys, i 've been reading 2+2 for some time now, but i decided to make my first post

cant u ad AA, KKor QQ to his range (hard to say since we dont have numbers on villain)
and if u add these to his range, is it still a push, since the A and K are no longer outs

feel free to correct me, i'm here to learn

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AA/KK/QQ is def in his range, but our equity vs his range when called combined with our folding equity is still easily enough to push since there's also JJ/TT/AK and som other hands in there.

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i still have to work on figuring out the whole FE stuff, but tnx for the answer ^^

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Hey guys, i 've been reading 2+2 for some time now, but i decided to make my first post

cant u ad AA, KKor QQ to his range (hard to say since we dont have numbers on villain)
and if u add these to his range, is it still a push, since the A and K are no longer outs

feel free to correct me, i'm here to learn

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AA/KK/QQ is def in his range, but our equity vs his range when called combined with our folding equity is still easily enough to push since there's also JJ/TT/AK and som other hands in there.

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i still have to work on figuring out the whole FE stuff, but tnx for the answer ^^

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As a little help, if his range is AK/AQs/TT+ and he folds AK/JJ/TT he's folding more than 60% of his range. Those we win $58 straight away. The other times he calls and vs that range we have almost 40% eq.

Board: Qd 7d 6c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 60.993% 60.99% 00.00% 7246 0.00 { QQ+, AQs }
Hand 1: 39.007% 39.01% 00.00% 4634 0.00 { AdKd }


So we're in really good shape vs his range.

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What % of the time, if ever, should this be 4 bet in position preflop against an unknown, assuming 100 bb stacks? how about oop?

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Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $16</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($33) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $25</font>, Hero....

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edit:
Turn: ($83) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
River: ($83) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)

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Re: AKs got lucky. +EV?
 

lol

Re: AKs got lucky. +EV?
 

shove flop

lol bub

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shove flop but I like the turn play. Mabe villain was going for a CRAI on turn so a 1/2 PSB would also do the trick [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]