5/1 OOP Floating with Gutty on New Site
 

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MP ($82)
CO ($97.35)
Hero ($101.80)
SB ($100)
BB ($97)
UTG ($139.85)

Hero ($101.80)
SB ($100)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $12.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $9.

Flop: ($26) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $17</font>, Hero calls $17


villain is a fairly aggressive reg, we don't have a lot of history. i thought he could be 3betting me light (which is why i called preflop ldo) and on the flop i had 4 outs to the nuts and i thought my ten or nine could be good, and also could turn some extra outs to get fancy with.

edit: probably was gonna check behind some brickish turn to setup ultra sick spewy river bluff shove imo

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this is awful. make it 150bbs and i might only grimace. what do you do when you "turn your J" and he fires $50?

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if you were to call preflop here with 109s because you think he is 3 betting you v. light, I would think it would have to be with the intention to check/shove flops like this to make preflop profitable.

i really think floating in reraised pots is bad especially out of position unless you know he is incapable of firing more than one barrel and can exploit him badly postflop.

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this is -ev

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How often would you smooth that flop with JJ+, AhKh?

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if you were to call preflop here with 109s because you think he is 3 betting you v. light, I would think it would have to be with the intention to check/shove flops like this to make preflop profitable.

i really think floating in reraised pots is bad especially out of position unless you know he is incapable of firing more than one barrel and can exploit him badly postflop.

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[censored] up title we're not OOP whoops

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i think this is something that isnt bad to have in your arsenal and i will pull it out on occasion when i think i can exploit a aggressive three better when i have position because i think he will never fire twice without a strong hand (which is reasonable to assume here)

I think this is ok if used in the right spot and i do it sometimes when my image is good and i have a good feel for villain's play. if you are using this a lot it is pure spew, but in the right spot i dont mind it.

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let this go preflop until you are fairly certain he's 3betting u light.
then 4 bet him to 30ish
if you just call his 3bet preflop and you believe he is 3betting u light, then you have to bluff a lot of flops and this one seems fine to do it on. since you'll prob be comitted with the gs if u make a normal raise, just shove

editted coz i thought u had an oesd

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pushing &gt; floating

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on the flop i had 3 outs to the nuts

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I think riasing here is better than trying to float.

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are we thinking he won't think we're calling weak because we'll never call with a draw we'll always be shoving this flop?

or is this just a disgusting flop to float on because we never have anything when we call here?

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On this flop I'm never just calling with JJ+ either..I shove.

So if I continue with this T9s, I would shove.

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Hmm, in a vacuum I think shoving is far superior here, but I don't mind the float for balance. You just need to make sure this is sometimes an overpair and sometimes a set, as well.

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Hmm, in a vacuum I think shoving is far superior here, but I don't mind the float for balance. You just need to make sure this is sometimes an overpair and sometimes a set, as well.

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so it sounds like we have to play quite a few hands sub-optimally for balance. what hands do you play this way to maximise value?

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Well, once he calls the ambitious bluff shove on the river in this hand, sets and overpairs.

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Mind you, I shove the turn, personally.

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Given your preflop play you must push the flop.

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I think a push is much much better than this. He may double barrell bluff and you've just thrown money away. He may hit his overcard. I can't see many advantages to be honest.

And I think you should push this flop once you've called preflop.

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Hmm, in a vacuum I think shoving is far superior here, but I don't mind the float for balance. You just need to make sure this is sometimes an overpair and sometimes a set, as well.

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Balancing what? I just don't play any hand like this, and I don't see any need to.

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Well, it wouldn't be usual for me to do this, but against certain opponents who 3-bet light and get aggro postflop I might call behind with a set on this board hoping he puts me on a draw and shoves a blank turn. I don't know, though, this board would kind of suck to play that way with a big hand, but generally speaking at least I like to have a lot of lines available to me in big pots, and I can imagine some people could work floating into their game pretty effectively here.

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against certain opponents who 3-bet light and get aggro postflop I might call behind with a set on this board hoping he puts me on a draw and shoves a blank turn.

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You should push a set here because 1) that's the way to play to make him put you on a draw, 2) that way you're getting value from 99+ before the turn screws his hand. Now you balance this by pushing T9s.

I just can't see calling any hand here being good except maybe with like TT/99ish hands vs very predictable players. Or with strong hands vs aggro retards. None of these opponents you need to mix it up vs.

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It doesn't matter if someone puts you on a draw or not if you push and they have air.

Once again, though, I shove this flop. I'm just saying that I don't think it is inconcievable that you could work floating in this spot into a broader approach that enabled you to exploit certain opponents. I personally don't do it much, but someone with a different metagame could.

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For people that either shove or fold these flops. What are you doing on slightly dryer boards with a lot of showdown value, but will be crushed if they call a push?

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For people that either shove or fold these flops. What are you doing on slightly dryer boards with a lot of showdown value, but will be crushed if they call a push?

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Shoving.


Or just folding pf

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It doesn't matter if someone puts you on a draw or not if you push and they have air.

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Yeah, my point was it takes an aggro retard for calling the flop to induce a turn bluff to outweight the cons of calling.

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For people that either shove or fold these flops. What are you doing on slightly dryer boards with a lot of showdown value, but will be crushed if they call a push?

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It depends. I'm fine with calling the flop with AJs on a A93r-flop for example. I'm probably pushing JJ on a 852r-flop with TT.

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For people that either shove or fold these flops. What are you doing on slightly dryer boards with a lot of showdown value, but will be crushed if they call a push?

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It depends. I'm fine with calling the flop with AJs on a A93r-flop for example. I'm probably pushing JJ on a 852r-flop with TT.

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Should've clarified the situation where it's likely they're only drawing to 2 outs if you're ahead, and there's little to no scare cards.

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look at you ninja bumping this 4 days later. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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look at you ninja bumping this 4 days later. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Was looking through the last few posts I made in ssnl on a cold snowy wintery football night.

edit also this wasnt my hand, it was another ssnl'er that played it meant to embarass the person with the floated gutshot [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]