Gimme a line with QQ. 1/2 NL
 

Villan is 17/17 Aggro Tag with Tricks. Earlier he showed me a tripple barrel allin bluff when I flatted JJ 3 streets, and folded river Ace.

WTF do I do on this turn?


Flop Cbet good?


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SB ($273.70)
Hero ($200.85)
UTG ($261.90)
MP ($198.75)
Button ($220.05)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $28</font>, Button calls $20.

Flop: ($57) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $43</font>, Button calls $43.

Turn: ($143) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero ???

Re: Gimme a line with QQ. 1/2 NL
 

Shove, you can't bet/fold any real amount since you'll be pot-committed. How light is he calling your 3-bets? Only hands that would worry me is 99 and MAYBE JT if he's get out of line in position versus you.

Re: Gimme a line with QQ. 1/2 NL
 

i would c/f

Re: Gimme a line with QQ. 1/2 NL
 

1-2 hands in SSNL pls, esp standard hands

Re: Gimme a line with QQ. 1/2 NL
 

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1-2 hands in SSNL pls, esp standard hands

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thanks, what's your line?

Re: Gimme a line with QQ. 1/2 NL
 

c/fold turn. flop c-bet is fine.

if he checks back then river is pretty rough but also a c/fold IMO.

Re: Gimme a line with QQ. 1/2 NL
 

I don't know why you think your 1/2 hands require the MSNL forum... shipping off.

Re: Gimme a line with QQ. 1/2 NL
 

Guess the forums have changed. 1/2 used to be MSNL. Sorry.

Re: Gimme a line with QQ. 1/2 NL
 

70-75% of the time I'll c/f here - you're simply not beating very many hands he'd value bet.

But since you know he can make big bluffs, the other 25-30% of the time I'd check and let him put me all in with his AK/AQ/AJ - he's certainly capable of floating the flop with overcards and this is a great board to bluff at.

Re: Gimme a line with QQ. 1/2 NL
 

SB ($273.70)
Hero ($200.85)
UTG ($261.90)
MP ($198.75)
Button ($220.05)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $28</font>, Button calls $20.

Flop: ($57) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $43</font>, Button calls $43.

Turn: ($143) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($143) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero ???</font>


Still c/f?

Re: Gimme a line with QQ. 1/2 NL
 

Before I saw turn action I wasn't sure about c/f'ing turn... because he raised preflop. I think a lot more of his PF raising range missed this flop rather than hit it hard.

On the river, given the turn check/check, I'd be inclined to check to induce a bluff on the river and call.

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Before I saw turn action I wasn't sure about c/f'ing turn... because he raised preflop. I think a lot more of his PF raising range missed this flop rather than hit it hard.

On the river, given the turn check/check, I'd be inclined to check to induce a bluff on the river and call.

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This is very bad advice. This hits a ton of raising hands very, very, very hard. How exactly did this flop miss 77+, JT, T9, 87, etc?!?

Let's move on to your river advice.

If you check here, what's he going to bluff? Remember he called the flop. So he either had a pair (or better) or a draw. Now, what ONE pair hand is he going to turn into a bluff on the river? You think he called the flop with 66 to check the turn and then bluff the river? Of course not. If he wanted to bluff with 66 he would have done it on that perfect turn card.

If he bets the river, you are smoke. He might call a river bet with KJ/AJ or so, but for the most part, I think c/f is the right river line.

Edit: removed my reference to 99 because it isn't one-pair, lol.

Re: Gimme a line with QQ. 1/2 NL
 

bilbos advice is spot on here. good post

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Before I saw turn action I wasn't sure about c/f'ing turn... because he raised preflop. I think a lot more of his PF raising range missed this flop rather than hit it hard.

On the river, given the turn check/check, I'd be inclined to check to induce a bluff on the river and call.

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This is very bad advice. This hits a ton of raising hands very, very, very hard. How exactly did this flop miss 77+, JT, T9, 87, etc?!?

Let's move on to your river advice.

If you check here, what's he going to bluff? Remember he called the flop. So he either had a pair (or better) or a draw. Now, what ONE pair hand is he going to turn into a bluff on the river? You think he called the flop with 66 to check the turn and then bluff the river? Of course not. If he wanted to bluff with 66 he would have done it on that perfect turn card.

If he bets the river, you are smoke. He might call a river bet with KJ/AJ or so, but for the most part, I think c/f is the right river line.

Edit: removed my reference to 99 because it isn't one-pair, lol.

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I pokerstoved { 22+, ATs+, KQs, QJs, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, AKo }

Got 51% equity with QQ on the river. Given his propensity to bluff, would a c/c be out of line here?

Re: Gimme a line with QQ. 1/2 NL
 

so you think that that's his range to bet on the river?

Re: Gimme a line with QQ. 1/2 NL
 

c/f. if he is bluffing this time you will def have him eventually and get paid. oop makes this a tough spot. set is def in his range here + AA/KK and even J10s is not imposs.

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Before I saw turn action I wasn't sure about c/f'ing turn... because he raised preflop. I think a lot more of his PF raising range missed this flop rather than hit it hard.

On the river, given the turn check/check, I'd be inclined to check to induce a bluff on the river and call.

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This is very bad advice. This hits a ton of raising hands very, very, very hard. How exactly did this flop miss 77+, JT, T9, 87, etc?!?

Let's move on to your river advice.

If you check here, what's he going to bluff? Remember he called the flop. So he either had a pair (or better) or a draw. Now, what ONE pair hand is he going to turn into a bluff on the river? You think he called the flop with 66 to check the turn and then bluff the river? Of course not. If he wanted to bluff with 66 he would have done it on that perfect turn card.

If he bets the river, you are smoke. He might call a river bet with KJ/AJ or so, but for the most part, I think c/f is the right river line.

Edit: removed my reference to 99 because it isn't one-pair, lol.

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I pokerstoved { 22+, ATs+, KQs, QJs, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, AKo }

Got 51% equity with QQ on the river. Given his propensity to bluff, would a c/c be out of line here?

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If villain bets that range on the river, he's retardedly aggro.

And if he's that donkishly aggro, ask yourself why he didn't bluff the turn when you checked.

I think the only hand you beat that villain MIGHT turn into a bluff is AJ. Maybe KQ if he's bad enough to call the flop with a gutshot + overs but then NOT bluff the turn card, which is about the most perfect bluff card you could ever hope for. REALLY unlikely.