Plan with AA against LAG?
 

20/40 at Borg... Hero is running super bad, but has a solid image for the most part. Villain is a good, strong, thinking LAG winner, although his opening range is admittedly, a little too wide at times. Villain also knows my tendencies well...

Folded to villain who open raises in middle position, and I 3-bet red AA in the CO, and we see a flop heads-up. Flop comes 567 2 diamonds, and villain c/calls. Turn brings a good card, an offsuit 5, and villain now check raises me. What's the plan here? Is calling down too weak? If you 3-bet, are we mucking to a 4-bet? Thanks for responses..

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20/40 at Borg... Hero is running super bad, but has a solid image for the most part. Villain is a good, strong, thinking LAG winner, although his opening range is admittedly, a little too wide at times. Villain also knows my tendencies well...

Folded to villain who open raises in middle position, and I 3-bet red AA in the CO, and we see a flop heads-up. Flop comes 567 2 diamonds, and villain c/calls. Turn brings a good card, an offsuit 5, and villain now check raises me. What's the plan here? Is calling down too weak? If you 3-bet, are we mucking to a 4-bet? Thanks for responses..

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call.

i dont think 3 betting/folding to 4 is a good idea against an opponent who "knows your tendencies well."

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I think calling is ok here because the LAG is just as likely to semi-bluff here into you here as to have you beat.

I was in this game and played many hours with this guy in the last year or so and will pay him off with any decent hand when he makes this move into me.

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How about a call and then a raise on the river?

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How about a call and then a raise on the river?

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that's great, except for when paint comes off and he betfolds or checkcalls

We should 3bet the CR, and use our best judgment if he makes it 4.

If we think that villain won't pay off with some of his weaker made hands, then calling down is best though.

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I'd usually threebet and probably call down from there.

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I think your hand is well ahead of LAG's range on that board, which can include medium PPs, pair+SD, FD, etc. I'd 3-bet the turn for value and muck to a 4-bet.

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Well, you are drawing live unless he has 55 which is unlikely. If he has a straight you have 10 outs. Even if he's full you have two sure outs and more if it's not 77. Thus, I don't want to put myself in a position where I fold with outs - therefore, I call, see the river and then decide depending on the river card and my opponents action.

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Well, you are drawing live unless he has 55 which is unlikely. If he has a straight you have 10 outs. Even if he's full you have two sure outs and more if it's not 77.

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HUH?

If he has a straight, you have 4 outs.
If he has 56,57,66 or 77, you have 2 outs.
If he has 55, you have 0 outs.

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Ok, this is what I would do.

If you are totally uncomfortable folding to a 4bet on the turn, then call turn, call river is the best.

If you think you can reliably fold to a 4bet (correctly), then I would reraise. He might just be trying to push you off of AK. (You would have three bet him with AK and continuation bet in the same manner? or no?)

Personally, against LAG payers, I would be likely to raise here, and even call down a 4 bet. I think he could be semi-bluffing here with 88, 99. (where he would have some straight outs) Or he has 67, 78, etc. If he has a set, so be it. you are still positive EV AA vs low PP over the long run in this situation.

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Give more respect to an OOP raise from a thinking LAG.

I don't like a three bet here as you overly reward a set or a straight and there are plenty of cards which make it hard for you to safely get value on the river if he checks. The downside is that you let him draw to a possible 6-10 outer on the turn.

As you're running badly, I'd tend to call down though a river raise on a safe card (2,3,T,J,Q,K) may look suspicious enough to get you paid off if you're ahead. I think you can safely fold to a river three bet.

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Thanks for the responses...

My thinking at the time was that while villain is definitely a LAG, he's not out of his mind, and that I should 3-bet for value and to charge him to draw, and muck to a 4-bet, because a 4-bet means I am drawing to 2-4 outs (he has a full house or a straight). So anyway, I 3-bet, he instantly 4-bet, and my cards instantly flew into the muck.

Not sure if I like that line though against someone who knows that I am capable of bet/folding, 3b/folding, because this sort of villain could definitely try to push me off AA with any sort of draw just because he knows I won't call a 4 bet with a big overpair. I think against a tricky player who's got game, I should call down, and potentially raise a safe river card.

Just for the record, I spoke with villain away from the table, and while he didn't tell me exactly what he had, he promised he had me beat and drawing to 2 outs.

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Not sure if I like that line though against someone who knows that I am capable of bet/folding, 3b/folding, because this sort of villain could definitely try to push me off AA with any sort of draw just because he knows I won't call a 4 bet with a big overpair. I think against a tricky player who's got game, I should call down, and potentially raise a safe river card.

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I feel like you answered your question here.

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I like calling the turn and raising a safe river. If he can 3 bet me on the river 1 pair no good

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I like calling the turn and raising a safe river. If he can 3 bet me on the river 1 pair no good

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This is my advice as well. Yes, you lose some value by giving free cards and it's not a good idea to raise a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4/9/T but it's much better than allowing yourself to be pushed off the best hand.

The only problem with this line might be that villian c/folds the river if he misses whatever draw/pair combo he held.