AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

<font color="blue"> UTG is a regular semi-lag. we have lots of history recently and have played tons of big pots. ive won almost every sinlge one of them and am up like 6-7 buyins on him over 800 hands - so that may factor into his mindset one way or another.

hes running 24/16 and so far is pretty straightforward postflop. i have seen him make some really big calls when he thinks im fos tho (with A-high for like 90bb's, and QQ calldown on an AAJJX board for 3 streets).

he calls lots of 3bets OOP with just about any pair. especially vs me he doesnt fold much PF once he raises. ive only seen him 4bt like twice and both times he was OOP and shoved over a 3bet after he PRR'd

CO is a random donk that will call any raise or rerasie with anything semicoordinated.

im running 22/19 and villain knows im decent/at least have a clue. he prob thinks i may be a little spewy postflop as ive been caught doing some dumb [censored] tho</font>

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $107.25
SB: $101.90
BB: $137.50
UTG: $136.30
CO: $109.60

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Ahttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif dealt to Hero (BTN)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $4</font>, CO calls $4, <font color="red">Hero raises to $18</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $14, CO calls $14
<font color="blue"> i thinks i knows what he be havin </font>

Flop: ($55.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
UTG checks, CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $89.25 and is All-In</font>
<font color="blue"> i am so smart!
i am so smart!
S-M-R-T!
S-M-R-T! </font>

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

well this is an interesting way of avoiding being outplayed, looks good to me as long as he will call with overpairs, but i think that this baord hits so little of his range and there are no draws out there that you could bet like 35 and get more value from small overpairs (99,1010)

anyways nh

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

I like it. It's such a "bad" line that i think people look you up a lot.

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

i defintitely wasnt trying to avoid gbeing outplayed fwiw.
i was planning to get in my stack one way or another regardless once i got 2 calls PF... more like i just didnt want to give either villain a chance to outplay themself on various scary turn cards

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

um yeah this is pretty standard. you arent folding. and you aren't betting to fold to a raise, so shoving here makes perfect sense in a pot that is already this size on the flop.

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

It looks to me like you are going to get more value from CO than the reg so I would bet less to intice him along. If he's got a small pair it's going to be way easier for him to call 2 smaller bets than a shove.

If you bet 50 you're giving them at most 3-1 implied odds which isn't enough to call with flush or straight. If you get a caller then the turn will give them 4-1 so still only breakeven to hit their flush and you made money on the flop call.

If you think shoving will be interpreted as weak and will get a call then fair enough but I don't think the reg will have a big enough hand to make a hero call here and the overbet will probably scare CO off.

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

who's this reg? what's his sn?

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

this is fine.

$35 on the flop is also fine imo

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

Looks fine, but I don't prefer it over a standard cbet. If you balance by playing your "bluffs" (things like AhKh, 76s, AhKx) like this then it's cooler.

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

I usually bet 40 in this spot

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

It's not brilliant IMO because I really cant see how it can be more +EV than betting c.$40 because by shoving you lose so much value from donks who will call down a regular 2/3 pot bet with 99 etc without realising they are then completely priced into calling the turn.

I would only really be tempted to use this line occasionally against a thinking reg to balance your range when you do it with semi-bluffs.

Not awful but not as good as betting $40 IMO.

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

Given history this is pretty sweet. He'll do his best to convince himself that you are on a heart draw and this def puts the pressure on him.
+ if he's wrong he might tilt hard

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

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I usually bet 40 in this spot

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is there any reason why you prefer to split your bets up in to:

40-49

as opposed to:

35-54?

given potsize increase the second just seems so much more smooth in terms of hand planning to me

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

I like it

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

Betting 35-40 is better imo. Gives the illusion of fe and I don't think a push will get looked up lighter then a normal bet. It's seems you're mainly targeting the tag, but I can't see him calling an overbet in a 3-ways 3-bet flop light, especially with the donk left to act.

Betting smaller hoping he'll shove draws and marginal hands over the bet is way better imo. Both vs the tag and donk.

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

I usually bet 39, hoping to induce some retardo raise. I probably wouldn't shove, but I'm not sure any of it matters in this case.

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

i sometimes do similar stuff, it all depends what you think he can call you with. IMO a shove def looks weaker than a 35ish bet, so maybe you can gain EV there?

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

I think there's two things to consider

1)A card might come off on the turn that will kill your action
2)He might be able to talk himself into a fold regardless of pot odds, because how many people will double barrel A high?

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

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I think there's two things to consider

1)A card might come off on the turn that will kill your action
2)He might be able to talk himself into a fold regardless of pot odds, because how many people will double barrel A high?

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Thing is given stacksizes villain will push often when he continues (if we bet 35-40). The pot on the turn would be 130 with about 50 left each. I just think a push is way more likely to get either player fold a fd or some kind of pair. Unless the tag is on huge tilt or is a huge spew donkey he won't call with a marginal hand in this situation, esp given the relative positions.

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Given history this is pretty sweet. He'll do his best to convince himself that you are on a heart draw and this def puts the pressure on him.
+ if he's wrong he might tilt hard

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If it was heads up with the reg I think you are representing a wider range of hands, being 3 handed I think this looks like a heart draw or a above average pair like TT-QQ that you think is good, and you are trying to make sure you don't have to deal with any hearts or overcards on the turn.

In some ways I would like the push better heads up since it looks weaker, but in the end even if you bet 40 you are committing your stack anyway, so not much of a diff..

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

villain is house_advntg (with the ugly bulldog avatar) for those that have played with him.
also i shouldve mentioned in the OP that i had been squeezing A LOT lately so that probably had some influence on villains thouhgt process.

i wasnt really worried about the donk at all to be honest. he either had an overpair, and was stacking off, or he had nothing and he wsnt. I thought it was much more likely for him to have something stupid like AJo of 9Ts and be folding no matter what tho.

now UTG on the other hand has a much narrower range... im pretty confident that i could put him on a range just 4-5 specific hands here, and felt like he was way more likey to call one big donkish overbet on the flop than he was to ch/shove or call flop and make a hero call on the turn.

he knows that any reasonable bet i make will commit me becasue at least half my stack will be in, so he wont have any FE. and he also probably realizes that im not making a normal c-bet all that often with like AK here when its 3 ways to the flop in a r'rd pot

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

looks good - what did he call with? AJ?

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

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looks good - what did he call with? AJ?

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lol funny that you say that.... no, not this time but maybe ill post another hand where he did have AJ.

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

this looks a lot more fos without two other people in the pot.

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

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he calls lots of 3bets OOP with just about any pair. especially vs me he doesnt fold much PF once he raises. ive only seen him 4bt like twice

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im pretty confident that i could put him on a range just 4-5 specific hands here

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...

This seems like a post suited for bbv to me.

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

I liked your play here, especially with two people in the pot. Thanks for calling me a donk several times too.

&lt;3

soda

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

hate it, let him shove

Re: AA vs a reg - so i wanna open shove this flop for 2x pot
 

I like betting like just over 1/2 pot or so, allowing CO to have dreams of FE with a shove (or UTG, both of them seem like they'll be shoving fairly wide)