NL400 Deep -- AA Tought Spot or Not?
 

Quick backstory, Button has recently given away half his stack (recently had $1100) and has been calling PF raises a lot more liberally since. His range is likely wider than you would think considering he's called two raises.

Villain is 27/16/1 over 61 hands.
I am 25/16/1.5 over 62 hands.

Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players

CO: $178
BTN: $542.50
Hero (SB): $618
BB: $638
UTG: $639.60
MP: $736.50

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $14</font>, MP calls $14, CO folds, BTN calls $14, <font color="red">Hero raises to $104</font>, 3 folds, BTN calls $90

Flop: ($240) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero ...?</font>

Re: NL400 Deep -- AA Tought Spot or Not?
 

o man this is nasty....

you 3bet is way way way too big imo (you want action with this hand)

as played i bet 200+ on the flop, call all raises, and shove all turns

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o man this is nasty....

you 3bet is way way way too big imo (you want action with this hand)

as played i bet 200+ on the flop, call all raises, and shove all turns

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oh the irony....

this really isn't that nasty of a spot unless people routinely call large 3 bets with qt at 2/4.

Re: NL400 Deep -- AA Tought Spot or Not?
 

You've got the nuts.
Bet $155

Preflop: raise to $72

Re: NL400 Deep -- AA Tought Spot or Not?
 

why would he raise less when monkey button came along anyways? yous people are strange

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I like 3-betting something more than pot here since he's in the SB (which would be 74 not 72 if I counted right). I'd probably go with something like $90 ordinarily, but he has a liberal caller so bumping it up a little more is even better. I like the PF raise sizing given the read.

As far as the flop, I think you need to shut the action down. I think I'd bet/shove or CRAI. I might even just shove. What's he been doing on the flop ?

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o man this is nasty....

you 3bet is way way way too big imo (you want action with this hand)

as played i bet 200+ on the flop, call all raises, and shove all turns

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oh the irony....

this really isn't that nasty of a spot unless people routinely call large 3 bets with qt at 2/4.

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lol i meant nasty as in played poorly pf, not nasty as sick spot brah...

Re: NL400 Deep -- AA Tought Spot or Not?
 

bet flop push turn (non straightening ones) or bet/call flop, depending on what he does? - folding is out of question imo

preflop is fine i think

Re: NL400 Deep -- AA Tought Spot or Not?
 

srsly i think preflop is fine if it was done for the sole reason that button would call this raise with a wide range. otherwise i hate it.

On the flop I am playing it like I have the nuts. Bet 162 get it in etc.

Re: NL400 Deep -- AA Tought Spot or Not?
 

bet call is good

Re: NL400 Deep -- AA Tought Spot or Not?
 

I didn't exactly explain why I made such a large raise. I don't routinely make large 3-bets like this, but as mentioned, the button has lost 300BB in the last 30 hands and wants to get "even" quickly. If this were against complete of non-tilted players, I would just mash pot and add a couple bucks. How does that sound for a default line?

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srsly i think preflop is fine if it was done for the sole reason that button would call this raise with a wide range.

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This was my reasoning for the large raise.

Re: NL400 Deep -- AA Tought Spot or Not?
 

Easy bet/call AI. When you put in close to 1/5 of effective stacks PF with AA against somebody who is tilted and calling light, you should be willing to get it in on every flop and be happy to do so. Since you gave him such bad implied odds through your big reraise, he can never set/2pair-mine profitably. By the time you cbet the flop (which is a must since you cannot check/fold, not that you were going to do that) there's way too much money in the pot to ever consider folding if he raises. It isn't a stretch to say you should get it in on any flop vs any player if you get that high an amount of effective stacks in PF with AA.

It becomes a sick spot if you bet 175, he calls, and a T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] rolls off on the turn. In this particular instance I'd probably check/fold.

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It becomes a sick spot if you bet 175, he calls, and a T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] rolls off on the turn. In this particular instance I'd probably check/fold.

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Just bet all-in on any turn.

Re: NL400 Deep -- AA Tought Spot or Not?
 

yeah just shove any turn, you cannot ch fold anyway

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I'm not sure what the problem is, this is a standard bet/stack-off for me

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I'm not sure what the problem is, this is a standard bet/stack-off for me

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There isn't a problem, really. I don't play a lot of NL and wanted to make sure getting in it on the flop was standard given the villain's range and how drawy the flop looks.

Anyway, results:

I didn't like it but I bet $200 planning to call an AI. The villain moved AI, I insta-called, and to my delight showed red tens. Turn a Q-ball and I miss my two outs on the river.

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>pokenum -h as ad - th td -- 8d jh 9h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 8d Jh 9h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ad 572 57.78 402 40.61 16 1.62 0.586
Td Th 402 40.61 572 57.78 16 1.62 0.414</pre><hr />

Re: NL400 Deep -- AA Tought Spot or Not?
 

Wait, most of you are saying its a flop to go broke with. And some say shove turn. What if its like a 10 heart, or a facecard heart.

I think this flop sucks. Id have to say villans range must be some suited conn.