Running into this crap all day
 

Villain 80/20/0.8 > 22 hands. SB's range is sooooooo wide. Limp from the small blind then shove, i dont get poker sometimes. Should I just deposit a few hundo and start out at 50NL to get away from people playing cribbage at the 25NL? I'm very frustrated.

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $36.50
CO: $12.65
BTN: $2.70
SB: $16.60
Hero (BB): $27.40

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, CO calls $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, SB calls $0.15, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.35</font>, CO calls $1.10, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $16.60 and is All-In</font>, Hero ?

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Looks like a very badly played monster, QQ+. Be happy that he let's you play perfectly. I can't understand why you are frustrated, seriously.

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Looks like a very badly played monster, QQ+. Be happy that he let's you play perfectly. I can't understand why you are frustrated, seriously.

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Is there any advice given here at all? Quit degrading people posting please and give advice or stay away. Are you saying I should fold, b/c if you are then if you use language like that again I will permaban you on the spot. -ama

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OSU,

I would fold here. Yeah the guys line makes me say wtf, but unless I have seen him do it before with something less it just seems a little too close, high variance for sure. Be happy you have position on him and vbet this guy later.

but damn its so tempting.

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Looks like a very badly played monster, QQ+. Be happy that he let's you play perfectly. I can't understand why you are frustrated, seriously.

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pffff, even complete retartds will rarely play QQ+ like this...AK is far more likely IMO...but not really even that likely compared to other [censored]

and the times that they do have QQ+, or have AK are certainly made up for by the times they have [censored] like A9 or KQ and what not..and I see plenty of plays like these types of hands in these situations...I don't what is exactly going through their heads when they just decide, "hey, let's push now"...but it's nothing intelligent

I poooooosh

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Should I just deposit a few hundo and start out at 50NL to get away from people playing cribbage at the 25NL? I'm very frustrated.

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LOL if you think they don't do this at 50NL. People do this [censored] at 600NL.

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Is there any advice given here at all? Quit degrading people posting please and give advice or stay away. Are you saying I should fold,

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I didn't degrade you in any way and i didn't degrade anyone else, neither in this forum nor somewhere else.
That my post implies that like a fold here should be clear.

You want to hear an advice? Do something against your aggressions.

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lol its simple, dont "imply" suggestions when people post hands on here to get straight forward suggestions. If I knew what you were thinking would I need to post at all?

Quit being pompous and, furthermore, quit trolling people's threads. You're now 2/2 dishing b.s. responses in my threads.

Go to BBV if you want to joke around or rile people up.

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WTF Greg?

His response is totally coherent, definitely says his advocated line (when he says villain allows you to play this perfectly, its pretty clear that he is saying fold), and in no way is pompous nor degrading.

Your overly hostile and aggressive response is totally unnecessary. Further, the kind of frustration and anger you are displaying here is going to be AWFUL for your poker game. Trust me, we've all been there, but when you are so tilted that you are that ready to jump someone who responds to a thread on 2p2, there is no way your head is clear enough to be playing poker.

Take a couple days off, come back, and you'll be much less frustrated and play a much better game.

P.S. One way or the other your action here is pretty negligible in terms of EV. If you don't mind variance go ahead and call, you'll see random crap a lot here. But if you are variance averse a fold is fine, I think you also see AK a ton here, as well as ANY pair, to which most of them you are coinflipping and 2 of them you are murdered.

And please don't jump me for making this post. I'm entirely serious, and in no way being condescending. Tilted mindsets = bad poker, I've been there too.

Todd

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Well, actually i am the one you sent a PM starting with

"Thank you very much for the feedback you gave to my post. It is very nice to hear honest feedback from people who aren't calling me an idiot or that I suck at poker"

I can't believe that i wasted my time and wrote a long, detailed answer concerning common beginner's problems in 6max.

Congratulations for being the first and only 2+2 user in my ignore list. I will not bother you again.

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thanks and sorry for the hostile sounding response. 10/10 for making me look like an idiot in front of all of 2+2.

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Well, actually i am the one you sent a PM starting with

"Thank you very much for the feedback you gave to my post. It is very nice to hear honest feedback from people who aren't calling me an idiot or that I suck at poker"

I can't believe that i wasted my time and wrote a long, detailed answer concerning common beginner's problems in 6max.

Congratulations for being the first and only 2+2 user in my ignore list. I will not bother you again.

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I've spoken with a lot of people through PM, surprise I'm actually a nice person. I misinterpreted your response, obviously. Haven't learned how to separate sarcasim from aggression. I'm not an internet chat junky, thus I have a difficult time navigating through the weeds of some responses. Dont ignore me dude....I'm sorry. Can we be friends again?

I didnt recognize you from PM'ing with me, so it was not a personal blow in that regard. You're right, I'm on uber tilt from the donkeys today. Sorry again.

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Good i did't put you on the ignore list instantly. Excuse accepted.

I did't mean to be sarcastic, english is not my native language and my phrasing might be misleading sometimes.

When i said "do something against your aggressions.", well that was meant sarcastic, i must admit. Basically i wanted to say what Todd wrote but i was to upset. Sorry for that.

My poor ignore list remains empty [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Looks like this could be anything. Mostly some bizzaro world squeeze play. I'd call without much thought. If he has a big hand whatever.

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Glad all is settled. I am going to take Todd's advice and at least take tomorrow off, hence my terrible run today.

I ran great the last three days up 8 buy ins, which always seem to be inevitably followed by a 5+ buyin downswing. Some plays I made today were def due to tilt factor, but it seemed as though my cards were face up half the time. Once again, my apologies for jumpin down the backs of people giving me advice, although at the time I was totally convinced you were trolling my thread Maunze [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

See you all in a couple days. Think I'll break out the stash of Seinfeld DVD's.

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I'm tempted to call here as I'm pretty convinced he's got a mid-pair. Downside is I also see AK being somewhat possible though.

Fold isn't bad.

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I'll again state that I don't really think it matters whether you call or fold here. We don't have enough info on villain to really know whether its particularly +EV or -EV to call, and either way its pretty marginal. I think you about as well off flipping a coin and deciding.

If you are on monkey-tilt and not having a good day fold for sanity/variance's sake. If you are on a megaheater and cannot be stopped/you don't care about variance a call is obviously fine.

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Greg, you got issues dude. Maunzekater's answer was a honest one. And a clear one too. Do something else about your frustrations. Maybe punch a wall untill you bleed or something. You should make the best of the advice you receive here.

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Greg, do not post on tilt. Like I've said in your OP I will ban you without thinking twice about it if I see you abusing this forums members quite so unneccessarily. In future, do not post until you can leave your aggression at the door.

Maunzekater's response was more than adequate, and I agree. AQo is too far behind to be shoving here because both villains calling ranges are too slim to justify it. Its push or fold and I fold.

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Should I just deposit a few hundo and start out at 50NL to get away from people playing cribbage at the 25NL? I'm very frustrated.

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i wouldn't complain if my opponents over-bet shoved 64bbs pf


i'd fold AQ the 1st time saw this.

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Greg, do not post on tilt. Like I've said in your OP I will ban you without thinking twice about it if I see you abusing this forums members quite so unneccessarily. In future, do not post until you can leave your aggression at the door.

Maunzekater's response was more than adequate, and I agree. AQo is too far behind to be shoving here because both villains calling ranges are too slim to justify it. Its push or fold and I fold.

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The issue has clearly been resolved here and also through apologetic PM's with Maunzekator. Once again I am new to 2+2, so I obviously misinterpreted Maunzekators post. If I knew he was giving me sound advice, I would obviously not reply with an aggressive tone. There is a different code of talking here, not to mention many people do not speak english as their first language so you have to take that into account.

Todd's initial response was necessary to get me off of idiot mode.

FWIW I apologize to those I offended. It wont happen again.

I know its hard to resist taking every opportunity here to tell me that I'm an immature moron, but please accept the fact that I've learned my lesson and I plead for no further public embarrassment.

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Ummmm... grunch.... and - I vaguely recall a books by Harrington or Sklansky that says its 'acceptable' or something to play AK this way from UTG?

So I put him on AK and happily fold [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I vaguely recall a books by Harrington or Sklansky that says its 'acceptable' or something to play AK this way from UTG?

So I put him on AK and happily fold [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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It was the SB, not UTG. Further, unless the books specifically mention they are referring to 6 handed play, they are speaking of FR strategy. Two very different beasts, nonetheless I still think there's +EV in calling.

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I call this. How is this not some complete utter trash. Villain is not shoving the top end of his range.

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I call this. How is this not some complete utter trash. Villain is not shoving the top end of his range.

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Play 25NL much?

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fold. he has KK or AA sometimes QQ. You should be glad that he gave You that info pf.

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I call this. How is this not some complete utter trash. Villain is not shoving the top end of his range.

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Play 25NL much?

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Today, at 25NL, one guy limped on the btn and shoved over my raise with A9o for 50bb, one other guy shoved over my raise from the CO with A5o for 40bb. And they were tighter than this guy. People play bad. This guy plays every hand and he plays every one of them badly.

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Should I just deposit a few hundo and start out at 50NL

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Way crazier stuff than this happens all the time and not just at 25NL.

Steam control is really important, especially in short-handed play. If you find yourself getting exasperated by stuff like this, take a break, get some exercise, just do something else. Come back with a clear, focused head and just play each hand as best as you can.

If you feel this way playing in a 0.10/0.25 game, imagine the emotional rollercoaster you'll be in for when the blinds are $5/$10.

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I think you guys are nuts...I've seen people complete in the SB a few times with QQ+ like this, but that is very rare...I see people do this with trash like Axs, face cards, any PP, etc all the time.

didn't I make a thread a few weeks ago about how I think people are using ranges that are too narrow in spots like this

we show profit here, fo sho