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Simplifying My Absolute Post
I'm writing this because so many of those who criticized my first post seem to have misunderstood it.
1. Insiders cheated 2. Other insiders denied the cheating in spite of the obvious evidence. 3. That meant the the other insiders were in cahoots with the cheaters, or the other insiders were complete morons who couldn't interpret hand histories, or they weren't in cahoots but were willing to lie. 4. Whichever of the possibilities above is true, there is no question that Absolute was remiss in not having software that flags suspicious play. NEW SUBJECT 1. Cheaters deserve to be punished. To a lesser extent arrogant idiots do too. 2. Since Absolute still probably doesn't have good cheating catching software, anyone who plays there is more likely to be cheated than if they played at a site that does have this software. 3. Absolute is going to whether this storm no matter what we do. And they are probably going to get rid of the bad apples and eventually run a good site. Driving them out of business might be fun. But if it is mainly innocent idiots who are hurt rather than thieves it isn't that fun. Also making too much of this whole thing when they are now trying to correct it, could be bad for poker in general. That being said I would be all for a probably futile effort to put them out of business if it was clear they have retained their theives and were still trying to rob us. But it is not clear. 4. If Absolute is going to continue on merrily along regardless of what two plus twoers do should we boycott them for the sake of principle only? If this was Wal Mart employing slave labor in Cambodia, I would say yes. But it is not. You should have no trouble looking at yourself in the mirror if you log on to Absolute and win lots of money there. You might have helped scoundrel owners but maybe they are gone. (You might also have HURT those owners by making the games tougher.) 5. If you think the games are juicy there, you still need to be careful because of their lack of oversight. Be quick to quit if you notice anything funny. And abide by stop losses. |
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oh ok
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David I dont understand point 6 can you please create a new thread so I see why?
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meh, thats a fine statement, finally, but it should all be obvious...
give us a cool way to fight this |
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Can the Mods ban OP already
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[x] 3rd AP thread started by Sklansky
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if we can whether OP's posts 2+2 may survive?
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1. Cheaters deserve to be punished. To a lesser extent arrogant idiots do too. [/ QUOTE ] One thing you need to do is clear up who you are talking about when you say "arrogant idiots". [ QUOTE ] 2. Since Absolute still probably doesn't have good cheating catching software, anyone who plays there is more likely to be cheated than if they played at a site that does have this software. [/ QUOTE ] That is a good, albeit obvious, point. [ QUOTE ] 3. Absolute is going to whether this storm no matter what we do. And they are probably going to get rid of the bad apples and eventually run a good site. Driving them out of business might be fun. But if it is mainly innocent idiots who are hurt rather than thieves it isn't that fun. Also making too much of this whole thing when they are now trying to correct it, could be bad for poker in general. That being said I would be all for a probably futile effort to put them out of business if it was clear they have retained their theives and were still trying to rob us. But it is not clear. [/ QUOTE ] There are ways to run Absolute Poker out of business, but it involves the world outside of the online poker forums, where there has been a severe lack of coverage by mainstream media and powerful representatives of the game of poker. It will never be clear the thieves are there, because they are trying to hide the fact that they have retained their thieves. According to their statements, the thieves never owned anything, and who knows if Scott Tom and AJ Green are involved, hellwho knows if theres cheating? Do you expect them to come out and admit the thieves still own the company? Even so, Nat mentioned in another forum, after coming back from Costa Rica, he believes Scott Tom is still an owner. And IT WOULDN'T BE BAD FOR POKER IN GENERAL IF ABSOLUTE POKER WENT OUT OF BUSINESS IT WOULD SHOW THAT THERE ARE ACTUALLY CONSEQUENCES IF A POKER SITE CHEATS. AS OF NOW THERE ARE NONE WHATSOEVER!!! [ QUOTE ] (You might also have HURT those owners by making the games tougher.) [/ QUOTE ] Please tell me that part was a joke! PLEASE!!! |
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You should change the title of your last thread to:
"My First, Of Perhaps Many, Statements About Absolute" |
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aren't the cheating owners still likely in power there?
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aren't the cheating owners still likely in power there? [/ QUOTE ] not a chance. the enormous pressure from the unified poker community has driven them away |
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I think Commodus should make a First and Only Statement about Absolute
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I'm writing this because so many of those who criticized my first post seem to have misunderstood it. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah. Cause when something's not clear, I've noticed that it's usually the reader's fault, not the writer's. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] |
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AP should get a new CEO, restaff, and change its name
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I think its a good idea to revise your view of the situation everytime your previous version has been obliterated by logic and common sense.
This is the tact that AP uses for their press releases. Can you please name one employee whom has been fired by AP because of this scandal? All of your posts seem confident that AP has taken action to improve their security, other than AP stating this is the case, what evidence do you have of this? |
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not a chance. the enormous pressure from the unified poker community has driven them away [/ QUOTE ] nice |
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IT WOULDN'T BE BAD FOR POKER IN GENERAL IF ABSOLUTE POKER WENT OUT OF BUSINESS IT WOULD SHOW THAT THERE ARE ACTUALLY CONSEQUENCES IF A POKER SITE CHEATS. AS OF NOW THERE ARE NONE WHATSOEVER!!! [/ QUOTE ] dude, other sites have gone down because of cheating issues, you are just a noob and don't know anything about them |
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I think its a good idea to revise your view of the situation everytime your previous version has been obliterated by logic and common sense. [/ QUOTE ] The worst part of it is that the dude makes an entirely new thread each time he does this, instead of answering the questions people have for him here. I don't know what the point of him making all the threads are if he's not really going to answer the questions people have about his posts (and with his posts, come many questions). |
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I like it sklan-dawg. Cliff notes bbv style.
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this reminds me of your posts on voting
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dude, other sites have gone down because of cheating issues, you are just a noob and don't know anything about them [/ QUOTE ] Can you give me some reference then to these other sites that have gone down? Even if your claim is true, that was in the past and now a new precedent has been set by Absolute Poker, a precedent that online poker companies can get away with cheating their customers. (Or would you also still like to argue that it wasn't the company who cheated customers, just the owner, and still owner, of the company.) |
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standard bbv responses
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That being said I would be all for a probably futile effort to put them out of business if it was clear they have retained their theives and were still trying to rob us. But it is not clear. [/ QUOTE ] Sure there is no evidence that the thieves are gone, but there is no evidence that the incompetency is gone either. Even if it's futile, can we really support a site who handled the worst scandal in online poker history as horribly as they did? To go back to your Wal-Mart analogy, I don't have to be robbed by a store in order to lose all trust and faith in them. They don't have to do much more than ignore or misunderstand clearly-presented evidence that some of their managers are stealing from customers. |
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Can you please name one employee whom has been fired by AP because of this scandal? [/ QUOTE ] Have you forgotten? That horrible employee that released the HH file that finally gave proof of the cheating. You can't have employee's like that keeping your poker site honest! Actually this fact is the most incriminating evidence that AP has no intent to be honest. If the people in charge of AP were glad to get rid of the cheaters then that employee would be hailed as a hero. |
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I'm sure the efficiency of the free market will get around to finishing off Absolute any day now. Otherwise we'll take this [censored] to an independent arbitrator, yeah!
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I think its a good idea to revise your view of the situation everytime your previous version has been obliterated by logic and common sense. This is the tact that AP uses for their press releases. Can you please name one employee whom has been fired by AP because of this scandal? All of your posts seem confident that AP has taken action to improve their security, other than AP stating this is the case, what evidence do you have of this? [/ QUOTE ] I didn't revise anything. And I have no evidence that they have taken action to improve their security. But I'd bet on it. Meanwhile it amazes me that people think my post was somehow pro AP. I doubt they think it was. |
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[ QUOTE ] Can you please name one employee whom has been fired by AP because of this scandal? [/ QUOTE ] That horrible employee that released the HH file that finally gave proof of the cheating. You can't have employee's like that keeping your poker site honest! [/ QUOTE ] lol it's funny because it's true! |
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Meanwhile it amazes me that people think my post was somehow pro AP. I doubt they think it was. [/ QUOTE ] On a scale from 1 to 10, given that you were making a post of this nature, with 1 being the worst they could hope for, 10 being the best they could hope for, how do you think the interested parties from AP would rate your post? |
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Meanwhile it amazes me that people think my post was somehow pro AP. I doubt they think it was. [/ QUOTE ] What amazes me is how you respond only when someone has something to say about posting in general and not your actual post, as if your word is the law and you are too good to discuss any issues regarding your OP. |
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[ QUOTE ] I'm writing this because so many of those who criticized my first post seem to have misunderstood it. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah. Cause when something's not clear, I've noticed that it's usually the reader's fault, not the writer's. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] This needs more love. |
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who is this guy? can the mods ban him?
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David, how many absolute threads do you need to start, seriously?
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[ QUOTE ] I think its a good idea to revise your view of the situation everytime your previous version has been obliterated by logic and common sense. This is the tact that AP uses for their press releases. Can you please name one employee whom has been fired by AP because of this scandal? All of your posts seem confident that AP has taken action to improve their security, other than AP stating this is the case, what evidence do you have of this? [/ QUOTE ] I didn't revise anything. And I have no evidence that they have taken action to improve their security. But I'd bet on it. Meanwhile it amazes me that people think my post was somehow pro AP. I doubt they think it was. [/ QUOTE ] Such deep insight. Did they say it wasn't good enough and that you'll have to do better? Hope you got paid up front. |
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[ QUOTE ] Meanwhile it amazes me that people think my post was somehow pro AP. I doubt they think it was. [/ QUOTE ] On a scale from 1 to 10, given that you were making a post of this nature, with 1 being the worst they could hope for, 10 being the best they could hope for, how do you think the interested parties from AP would rate your post? [/ QUOTE ] Three tops. |
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So your saying if we are trying to cheat go play at AP?
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