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Bond18 11-12-2007 09:53 PM

What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to learn\'
 
I'm writing part 9 about hand reading right now. After that for 10 i'll be writing about a sort of general/poker life kind of stuff, and i'm sure if i sat back and thought about it i could come up with more, but it seems like a decent idea to ask people.

So what else do you want to see covered? DO MY BRAINSTORMING FOR ME PEOPLE!

Wish 11-12-2007 10:00 PM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to learn\'
 
Right now, I don't know what I don't know, if you get my meaning. What I would like to see is a sticky or links page where I can read these again. We've got the Anthology sticky, but it hasn't been updated in a while. These would make a great addition.

Thanks for taking the time to write these articles.

Bond18 11-12-2007 10:04 PM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
Yep, i def need to put them in the anthology, so i'll start compiling them there. Like i've said previously as well, they are all at www.tworags.com in the blog.

VespaRally 11-12-2007 10:04 PM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to learn\'
 
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DO MY BRAINSTORMING FOR ME PEOPLE!

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Building reads

Playing 15-30BB stacks

Button/CO/Hijack Opening Ranges and Why

Countering Decent Players

When to take the 3-bet-pre/shove-any-flop line (go & go?)

I don't know, this is just off the top of my head. Love the series though!

EroTheMad 11-12-2007 10:13 PM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
This can be a little like math work but you can write about push/call ranges with odds at early, middle, late stages of tournament. I'm asking this favor because i think my thinking about going with odds or not risking my big stack pre-flop just because odds are good confuses my head and i don't have a standard play for these type of hands. I mean article can be about "when to ignore odds" maybe.

BTW you pwn!

Sherman 11-12-2007 10:24 PM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to learn\'
 
I'd like to know more about volume. How much do you play each day (i.e. number of MTTs)? How many per month? How many at one time? Do you typically play on auto-pilot early? How do you manage your time to play the most profitable MTTs? Etc.

Sherman

yNnOs 11-12-2007 10:28 PM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
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I'd like to know more about volume. How much do you play each day (i.e. number of MTTs)? How many per month? How many at one time? Do you typically play on auto-pilot early? How do you manage your time to play the most profitable MTTs? Etc.

Sherman

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ChipSpeak 11-12-2007 10:40 PM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
Playing sc's and pp's deep and mid stacked.,,

ssnyc 11-12-2007 10:42 PM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to learn\'
 
calling ranges pre and post...feel like I am getting pushed off a lot of hands with 2nd pair and need better plans to deal with aggressive players leading into me consistantly when I catch some of the flop

McMelchior 11-12-2007 11:13 PM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to learn\'
 
Tricks to maintaining "an active image" early or mid tournament when you keep getting crap hands and people keep raising ahead of you?

andii 11-12-2007 11:24 PM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to learn\'
 
Really enjoy your blog.

I think that a really interesting article would be regarding Blind vs. Blind play and the risks one is prepared to take...

Cheers,
Andrew

homanga 11-12-2007 11:43 PM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
Maybe something about post-analysis techniques and how to use PAHud and PT to your advantage

Dave D 11-13-2007 12:15 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
Restealing.


So crucial.

Uncle_Billy 11-13-2007 12:23 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
Psychology of the game - avoiding / managing tilt & emotion / impulsiveness / stupid behavior, how you might influence opponents in this area to your advantage, etc.

Differentiating between live and online play, both in psychology as well as broader characteristics / differences between the two...

Growth as a player - how to proactively manage this, know when you're ready to move up, etc.

jonnyd 11-13-2007 12:28 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
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Restealing.


So crucial.

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...ue#Post12644880

Dave D 11-13-2007 12:42 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
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Restealing.


So crucial.

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...ue#Post12644880

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Didn't see that thread. Thanks

timmay28 11-13-2007 12:55 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
Button play - what to open with early and late game.

M1cKmAcK 11-13-2007 01:07 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to learn\'
 
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Tricks to maintaining "an active image" early or mid tournament when you keep getting crap hands and people keep raising ahead of you?

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This would be a helpful topic...

skrae 11-13-2007 01:27 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
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Maybe something about post-analysis techniques and how to use PAHud and PT to your advantage

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I second this. Maybe something that covers how often you sift through your hand histories. What are you looking for when you’re trying to identify leaks in your game?

Thanks for this series! It is certainly appreciated.

HammondHammond 11-13-2007 02:42 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
Short-handed play at the end, with 3 or 4 players left, and huge blinds. A lot of it is obviously read-based, but still, any general ideas?

How does the range of hands you play at the end change from full-ring play? How do you mix it up? I mean, for example, with 3 people left, raising the button every time might become a tad suspicious?

Or do you guys just usually try to make a deal when it gets short-handed?

thanks.

Boise123 11-13-2007 02:46 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
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Growth as a player - how to proactively manage this, know when you're ready to move up, etc.

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acbom 11-13-2007 06:12 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
*Playing out of position;
*Playing multiway pots (how creative / straightforward to play?);
*More metagame - when to stop playing etc;
*Winning the most money early on from the bad players;

JammyDodga 11-13-2007 06:30 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
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Psychology of the game - avoiding / managing tilt & emotion / impulsiveness / stupid behavior, how you might influence opponents in this area to your advantage, etc.


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Also, table dynamics and flow, and how this effects play. Alot of the analysis here is taken as if each hand was played in a vacuum.

bookish 11-13-2007 06:48 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
There's a great post in the NL cash forums by fimbulwinter originally here but also below about when to move up from one level to another, and it would be interesting to get your (and others) perspectives on it from a MTT perspective.


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first off you should never view it as a quantum leap kinda thing. just take little shots when you feel comfortable, have the money and are good enough. here's a hand waving yardstick:

try 50NL when:

- you're confident in your preflop game
- you understand position
- you have a good idea of their hand by the river
- you have an ok feel when to continuation bet
- you have 500 or more

100NL when:

- you're confident playing draws
- you can spot good semibluff opportunities
- you can lay down AA/KK unimproved
- you're attacking the blinds in easy steal situations
- you have 1200+

200NL when:

- you're ok betting your stack on a draw
- a PFR from you doesnt always mean AA-JJ and AQs+
- you're starting to play one hand while holding another
- you have more than one mode
- you have 3000 or more

400NL when:

- you can ID profitable preflop steals
- you know how to pick between b3b and c/r
- position factors heavily into your play
- you're good at manipulating pot size
- you have 6000+

1K NL when

- your lines don't define your hand
- you're good at playing and winning lots of small pots
- your oop opponent must hold a strong hand to win a pot from you
- you understand the real math of the game at least at a basal level
- you have 20000+

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umistboy 11-13-2007 08:01 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
I know Adanthars done a thread on MTT Turbo Sattellites but he concentrates more on seletion.

Would love to see an indepth discussion involving hands from these tourneys. I think we could all improve our ICM/Pushbot play.

MatteyA28 11-13-2007 08:12 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
An article on adjustments to make when playing live mtts vs online would be great.

PsYcOsNiPeR 11-13-2007 09:49 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
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There's a great post in the NL cash forums by fimbulwinter originally here but also below about when to move up from one level to another, and it would be interesting to get your (and others) perspectives on it from a MTT perspective.


[ QUOTE ]
first off you should never view it as a quantum leap kinda thing. just take little shots when you feel comfortable, have the money and are good enough. here's a hand waving yardstick:

try 50NL when:

- you're confident in your preflop game
- you understand position
- you have a good idea of their hand by the river
- you have an ok feel when to continuation bet
- you have 500 or more

100NL when:

- you're confident playing draws
- you can spot good semibluff opportunities
- you can lay down AA/KK unimproved
- you're attacking the blinds in easy steal situations
- you have 1200+

200NL when:

- you're ok betting your stack on a draw
- a PFR from you doesnt always mean AA-JJ and AQs+
- you're starting to play one hand while holding another
- you have more than one mode
- you have 3000 or more

400NL when:

- you can ID profitable preflop steals
- you know how to pick between b3b and c/r
- position factors heavily into your play
- you're good at manipulating pot size
- you have 6000+

1K NL when

- your lines don't define your hand
- you're good at playing and winning lots of small pots
- your oop opponent must hold a strong hand to win a pot from you
- you understand the real math of the game at least at a basal level
- you have 20000+

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I think this would be a great idea, seeing as how many MTTers WANT and are constantly trying to get better and move up to the next level, yet have the problem of not know where to start. For example, when I analyze my game, I see what im doing wrong, but I do not know which leaks are irrelavent at the $10-$20 level as opposed to the $50 level.

tinty 11-13-2007 10:18 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
Yeah there's a good MLG post on evolving as a player but your style of writing is very good and accessible and you really seem like someone who has taken their game on huge amounts in a very short space of time.

How much time do you spend analysing rather than playing?
How do you go about this analysis? fixing leaks etc

Thanks again for all of this.

greenstack 11-13-2007 11:41 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
Great advice Mr. Bond, love the series !!

I would love to read about how a micro stakes MTT beginner has to adjust to improve his game and find a way out to step up the ladder.

When I say beginner, this is what I mean in my case:

- 200+ MTT
- Buy-in range: $0.25 - $2.2 and lately taking shots on the $5 and $10 ranges
- Read all the std. stuff: HoH 1, 2 &3, ToP, HFTAP, etc. and disciplined 2+2 reader
- Play about 7 MTT's weekly
- Started with a $50 deposit, BR now fluctuating between $100 and $150
- Positive ROI and near the 90% percentile on officialpokerrankings.com (bluestack)
- STILL NO BIG WIN !!

I'm sure there are other fellow micro players on similar situation that would benefit from expert advice on how to adjust all this great 2+2 contributions to be more useful on the micro ranges.

Thank you.

sapsuckah 11-13-2007 11:48 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
C-betting.

When to do it... when not to... how much... adjustments to number of players in the pot... adjustments to opponents' styles... when to do it on turn instead of flop... when to double-barrel... etc.

It's been an element of several of your posts, but I think it could stand a more in-depth discussion.

These lessons are excellent, Tony. Please keep them up and win next year's WSOP on karma alone.

(By the way, thanks to your bet sizing article, in the last 12 hours I have twice made small flop bets so that I could 3-bet push a draw with FE... both times villain raised me and both times he folded to the push. Sweeeeeeet.)

Perplexity 11-13-2007 11:49 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Maybe something about post-analysis techniques and how to use PAHud and PT to your advantage

[/ QUOTE ]

I second this. Maybe something that covers how often you sift through your hand histories. What are you looking for when you’re trying to identify leaks in your game?

Thanks for this series! It is certainly appreciated.

[/ QUOTE ]

Thirding this.

fatshaft 11-13-2007 12:39 PM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
[ QUOTE ]
There's a great post in the NL cash forums by fimbulwinter originally here but also below about when to move up from one level to another, and it would be interesting to get your (and others) perspectives on it from a MTT perspective.


[ QUOTE ]
first off you should never view it as a quantum leap kinda thing. just take little shots when you feel comfortable, have the money and are good enough. here's a hand waving yardstick:

try 50NL when:

- you're confident in your preflop game
- you understand position
- you have a good idea of their hand by the river
- you have an ok feel when to continuation bet
- you have 500 or more

100NL when:

- you're confident playing draws
- you can spot good semibluff opportunities
- you can lay down AA/KK unimproved
- you're attacking the blinds in easy steal situations
- you have 1200+

200NL when:

- you're ok betting your stack on a draw
- a PFR from you doesnt always mean AA-JJ and AQs+
- you're starting to play one hand while holding another
- you have more than one mode
- you have 3000 or more

400NL when:

- you can ID profitable preflop steals
- you know how to pick between b3b and c/r
- position factors heavily into your play
- you're good at manipulating pot size
- you have 6000+

1K NL when

- your lines don't define your hand
- you're good at playing and winning lots of small pots
- your oop opponent must hold a strong hand to win a pot from you
- you understand the real math of the game at least at a basal level
- you have 20000+

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Bond, I've just read all your articles and I think they are excellent. I agree that the post above would be very interesting to see in a MTT light.

iwannawon 11-13-2007 02:55 PM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to learn\'
 
i'm apparently not observant enough to see my opponents' tendencies or categorize them accurately. anything you could help with in those areas would be great... i felt i was relying too much on pahud and stopped using it for a while. my results went down. started using it again, and they went back up. i guess i'm not sure what information to reduce and retain to help narrow their holdings, etc. it's easier when i see some showdowns but without that, i can't seem to track the frequency (ie vpip) they play or how often they fold to other's cbets, etc. i'd like to play more live but i need the confidence i can do it (well) without the software. thanks.

BarryLyndon 11-13-2007 04:29 PM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to learn\'
 
Bond,

I'd like to learn more about changing gears during the first ante level (120/240/25 on FT), where you have a stack of 30BB.

Also, at 25/50, 30/60, 40/80, gameplans you develop to build your stack depending on table conditions where you are at 30 - 40BB.

Barry

Donkey5layer 11-13-2007 04:30 PM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
Playing the 10-19bb stacks late

Donkey5layer 11-13-2007 09:18 PM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
better yet... accumulating not surviving

Boise123 11-13-2007 10:13 PM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
An article on hand reading would be awesome.

RonFezBuddy 11-14-2007 12:43 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
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An article on hand reading would be awesome.

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From OP:
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I'm writing part 9 about hand reading right now.

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Nate. 11-14-2007 12:58 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
Bond--

How to play the river after the turn gets checked through, plz. I think it's very hard, and I think most people are terrible at it.

Thanks (whether you do it or not),

--Nate

Bond18 11-14-2007 01:31 AM

Re: What else do you want to see from \'things it took me a while to le
 
K guys thanks for all the suggestions, this should easily be enough for another 10.


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