10/20 3 bet pot 2nd barrel?
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MP ($2567.17) Hero ($2234.00) SB ($2152.00) BB ($1178.50) UTG ($3466.30) Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $80</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $270</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP calls $190. Flop: ($570) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $410</font>, MP calls $410. Turn: ($1390) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1554 (All-In)</font>, Is this ok? Only history is on another table where he 3 bet the SB to my BU and i 4 bet small and he insta shoved and i had to fold. He is 23/21 or so, im playing like 20/18 |
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i don't like this with the history described. you should have a better read on him and more solid image urself.
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bet > check
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im having a hard time putting MP on a hand, but your line looks pretty solid.
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no way, check and bet river only if u improve.
I just cant put him on a hand that calls a RR oop, c/calls a dry Q high flop and then folds to a turn bet when the 7 falls. |
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I just cant put him on a hand that calls a RR oop, c/calls a dry Q high flop and then folds to a turn bet when the 7 falls. [/ QUOTE ] TT/JJ? |
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bet > check [/ QUOTE ] maybe if we had total air, but not when we have almost no FE but do u have a gutshot and 5 outs |
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[ QUOTE ] bet > check [/ QUOTE ] maybe if we had total air, but not when we have almost no FE but do u have a gutshot and 5 outs [/ QUOTE ] Almost no FE? History dictates that Villain views OP as an aggressive bluffy 3 bettor. As shown when OP 4bet bluff/fold. Because of that, villain is going to call flop cbets really light in rr pots. So anyways... Effective stacks 2234$ Villain folds EV=$1390 Pokerstove if Villain calls and Hero is behind Note:This range is assuming villain doesn't call light Board: 5h 9d Qs 7d Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 18.636% 18.64% 00.00% 369 0.00 { 7c6c } Hand 1: 81.364% 81.36% 00.00% 1611 0.00 { QQ+, 99, AQs, KQs, QJs, AQo, KQo } So we have a 18% equity once villain calls EV of us pushing and being called EV=(.18)(4468)+(.82)(-1554) EV=804.24-1274.28 EV=-470.04 Neutral EV when shoving where Fold equity=x EV=0 0=-1390x+(1-x)(-470.04) 0=-1390x-470.04+470.04x 0=1860.04-470.04 470.04=1860.04x x=25% |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] bet > check [/ QUOTE ] maybe if we had total air, but not when we have almost no FE but do u have a gutshot and 5 outs [/ QUOTE ] Almost no FE? History dictates that Villain views OP as an aggressive bluffy 3 bettor. As shown when OP 4bet bluff/fold. Because of that, villain is going to call flop cbets really light in rr pots So anyways... Effective stacks 2234$ Villain folds EV=$1390 Pokerstove if Villain calls and Hero is behind Note:This range is assuming villain doesn't call light Board: 5h 9d Qs 7d Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 18.636% 18.64% 00.00% 369 0.00 { 7c6c } Hand 1: 81.364% 81.36% 00.00% 1611 0.00 { QQ+, 99, AQs, KQs, QJs, AQo, KQo } So we have a 18% equity once villain calls EV of us pushing and being called EV=(.18)(4468)+(.82)(-1554) EV=804.24-1274.28 EV=-470.04 Neutral EV when shoving where Fold equity=x EV=0 0=-1390x+(1-x)(-470.04) 0=-1390x-470.04+470.04x 0=1860.04-470.04 470.04=1860.04x x=25% [/ QUOTE ] |
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I also wouldnt give too much weight to what happened in one BU v blind steal situation
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] bet > check [/ QUOTE ] maybe if we had total air, but not when we have almost no FE but do u have a gutshot and 5 outs [/ QUOTE ] Almost no FE? History dictates that Villain views OP as an aggressive bluffy 3 bettor. As shown when OP 4bet bluff/fold. Because of that, villain is going to call flop cbets really light in rr pots. So anyways... Effective stacks 2234$ Villain folds EV=$1390 Pokerstove if Villain calls and Hero is behind Note:This range is assuming villain doesn't call light Board: 5h 9d Qs 7d Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 18.636% 18.64% 00.00% 369 0.00 { 7c6c } Hand 1: 81.364% 81.36% 00.00% 1611 0.00 { QQ+, 99, AQs, KQs, QJs, AQo, KQo } So we have a 18% equity once villain calls EV of us pushing and being called EV=(.18)(4468)+(.82)(-1554) EV=804.24-1274.28 EV=-470.04 Neutral EV when shoving where Fold equity=x EV=0 0=-1390x+(1-x)(-470.04) 0=-1390x-470.04+470.04x 0=1860.04-470.04 470.04=1860.04x x=25% [/ QUOTE ] You also have to calculate the EV of checking as well since checking has an EV >0. I'm too lazy to do this though. |
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What I was trying saying was that villain will probably peel [censored] hands on flop and c/f turns.
Calculating the EV of checking? Hmm.. I'll be back... |
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I don't know how to do it. Someone please point out where I went wrong.
Ev of checking and villain shoving river 100% EV=(.18)(4468) EV=804$ Now we need to find out how often does he has to shove river for us to make it neutral EV where x= the % of time he shoves river 0=(804$)(x)+(1-x)(1390) 0=804x+1390-1390x 586x=1390 x=237% So we need him to shove river 247% of the time [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] Yea I know I did something wrong |
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screw him shove
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This is much better than checking
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my line here is to shove, run into a set, then river gutshot
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No one seemed to answer the question of what he folds here... TT/JJ?
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my line here is to shove, run into a set, then river gutshot [/ QUOTE ] |
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how about betting like 600 and rest on the river. it's like the reverse installment plan.
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how about betting like 600 and rest on the river. it's like the reverse installment plan. [/ QUOTE ] He is not folding river. |
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This is much better than checking [/ QUOTE ] agree |
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This is much better than checking [/ QUOTE ] . |
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No one seemed to answer the question of what he folds here... TT/JJ? [/ QUOTE ] This seems like a fair point. If his flop call + turn call range = QQ+, 99, AQs, KQs, QJs, AQo, KQo And his flop call + turn fold range = TT, JJ Then we don't have the requisite FE, do we? |
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if you're betting you should bet like 1100 because it looks just little less bluffy and gets as many folds. i think betting is very good here and just makes you tough to play against in general
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psh i said the right advice 2 replies in.
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he insta snapped but river gave me 2 pair and he mucked. cant tell what they have on prima, but i assume AQ+
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