100NL JJ facing a checkraise preflop
 

Villain is 13 11 3 and i have been recently been pretty aggressive

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $178.10
Button: $79.00
SB: $107.15
Hero: $110.75

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $4</font>, Button folds, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $20</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises all-in $103.15</font>, Hero ?

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dont rr pf.

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the UTG raiser was pretty aggressive though like 30 22

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dont mind the raise.. maybe a little less so it doesnt look bluffy.. but fold now.
playing jacks for set value is kinda weak there imo..

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I kinda want to stack off here because his line is so goofy, and OP's line looks like a squeeze. Does an aggressive player ever really have QQ+ here? (serious question, not rhetorical)

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13/11 yes

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I should go to bed, i thought it was the 30/22 that pushed.

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i call... i never trust when people call pf then shove

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I call unless you've been squeezing a ton out of the BB.

I don't know why he'd decide to slow play something like QQ-AA out of position.

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Thats what i was thinking ... this type of player is unlikely to play QQ+ this way.. i think we see AQ and AK here alot

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but he had AA didnt he [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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i like the reraise, because i hate playing for set value here. I would fold here, a 13/11 can very easily have a hand like QQ+ AQ+

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I think this is usually a snap call, ppl push all kinds of random crap if they think you're squeezing.

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snap call.... lets read the hand ppl.

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what would a 13/11 smooth call a 30/22 OOP with?

77+
AJ+
a couple random connectors that look sexy one in a while

I mean wouldnt a nit repop w/ the hand he is trying to represent (like JJ+, AK) instead of call/reraise?

IMO from a tight player, I could only expect to see AK, AA, KK. AA, KK would piss me off but I could see a nit trapping PF vs an aggressive player.

Tell me if I'm off base here,,.

Re: 100NL JJ facing a checkraise preflop
 

what?call call call

he has a lower pocketpair or AK here about always.


given that you have a agressive immage makes it even easyer.

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yeah, im putting him on about AK, 99, TT, and maybe like 1 combo each of QQ/KK/AA

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oh and i guess he could have the other JJ

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I think AA/KK are well within his range here. I play nitty and if I get a raise from a super aggressive player who cbets every flop I'll often smooth call AA/KK there, looking to CR flop. These players will almost always fold to a 3bet pre (as happened here) but once you get to the flop they don't know how to slow down and will pay off. Once the 3 bet comes in though there's enough in the pot to shove.

I'm not saying he does have AA/KK but that it's definitely well within his range given the circumstances.

As played I'd probably fold (like I said - I'm a nit!)

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Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 58.015% 55.16% 02.85% 17001497 879465.00 { JcJd }
Hand 1: 41.985% 39.13% 02.85% 12061045 879465.00 { AhAs, KcKd, QcQh, JhJs, TcTs, TdTs, ThTs, 9c9s, 9d9s, 9h9s, AcKc, AdKd, AdKc, AhKc, AhKd, AsKc, AsKd, AsKh }



heres my estimate of his range and our equity. im assuming he is doing this about half the time he has 99-TT or AKo/AKs, and is doing it with 1 combo each of JJ+

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given that you have a agressive immage makes it even easyer.

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wouldnt that make it harder, since hes more likely to call with AA,KK because hes expecting you to squeeze?

I call fwiw, Id be more scared if he made a not all in reraise. Also your 3 bet is a little big so it might add more to him thinking you are bluffing. If you did call and he showed up with some weaker hand, I remember that so I can I can use my bet sizing against him in the future

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No nit is calling OOP pf with QQ+ against a dumb lag hoping that a semi aggro tag is going to squeeze. This is a mid pair or AK/AQ like always. Instacall please.

Oh and people saying just call pf, wtf? NITS!!! You realize the opener is pretty loose/bad right.

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given that you have a agressive immage makes it even easyer.

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wouldnt that make it harder, since hes more likely to call with AA,KK because hes expecting you to squeeze?


Against a good and thinking player, this holds alot of truth. However, this guy seems to be a bad nit. I doubt he is looking at the bigger picture/thinking much about the hand at all. All he sees is someone raised, he has pocket 8's, and decides to setmine. When you come over the top here, he now realises that you are a agressive player who raises/reraises light, and decides its time to make a stand/figures his range beats yours.

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No nit is calling OOP pf with QQ+ against a dumb lag hoping that a semi aggro tag is going to squeeze. This is a mid pair or AK/AQ like always. Instacall please.

Oh and people saying just call pf, wtf? NITS!!! You realize the opener is pretty loose/bad right.

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On the money.

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I call this. I just don't think this nit has QQ+, maybe AQ or AK, more often you see hands like 66-TT

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This look like resteal I dont see why a thinking tag would smooth call therewith AA/KK. that said im a nit and probably fold it.

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dont rr pf.

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definitely rr preflop.

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maybe make your rr a little smaller, but yea i think he shows up with low pps, and AK almost 90% of the time here, get it in.

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i call it all day, its usually a smaller pp or ak/aq.

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I don't know why he'd decide to slow play something like QQ-AA out of position.

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FWIW, I think playing QQ this way rules - pretty sure I have a recent hand that looks just like this. AA, KK, I don't like so much.

It's a call once you 3bet, the pot's just too big and he will show up enough w AK to warrant it.

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Results:

I called villain showed AQo my jacks held up.

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So ya those are the results

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a little confused when i first read the hand, but yea, i don't see him doing this with QQ+