Blatant Softplay Cheating at Absolute
 

Absolute $10 +$1 sit n go:

Earlier in the tourney, GNMO74 and BIG LOOZA were chatting to each other about “sharks not going after sharks” etc. Then on a potentially allin hand against each other, GNMO74 actually checked behind on the river with the nut straight!! He chatted "yu lucky." (i.e. you're lucky I'm being nice to you and not betting)

Here's the hand:

Stage #978605383 Tourney ID 1861578 Holdem Single Tournament No Limit $150 - 2007-11-12 02:06:55.009 (ET) [ 2007-11-12 02:06:55 ]
Table: 17675289 (Real Money) Seat #9 is the dealer
Seat 1 - BIG LOOZA ($2735 in chips)
Seat 5 - PSOMUSIC ($2190 in chips)
Seat 6 - EVERPALE ($1595 in chips)
Seat 7 - DREW953 ($1035 in chips)
Seat 8 - CLUBSPECIAL ($1700 in chips)
Seat 9 - GNMO74 ($4245 in chips)
BIG LOOZA - Posts small blind $75
PSOMUSIC - Posts big blind $150
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to PSOMUSIC [2d Kh]
EVERPALE - Folds
DREW953 - Folds
CLUBSPECIAL - Folds
GNMO74 - Calls $150
BIG LOOZA - Calls $75
PSOMUSIC - Checks
*** FLOP *** [9d 5d 10s]
BIG LOOZA - Bets $300
PSOMUSIC - Folds
GNMO74 - Calls $300
*** TURN *** [9d 5d 10s] [3s]
BIG LOOZA - Checks
GNMO74 - Checks
*** RIVER *** [9d 5d 10s 3s] [8c]
BIG LOOZA - Checks
GNMO74 - Checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BIG LOOZA - Shows [9s Jc] (One pair, nines)
GNMO74 - Shows [Jh Qh] (Straight, eight to queen)
GNMO74 Collects $1050 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($1050)
Board [9d 5d 10s 3s 8c]
Seat 1: BIG LOOZA (small blind) HI:lost with One pair, nines [9s Jc - P:9s,B:9d,P:Jc,B:10s,B:8c]
Seat 5: PSOMUSIC (big blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 6: EVERPALE Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: DREW953 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: CLUBSPECIAL Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: GNMO74 (dealer) won Total ($1050) HI:($1050) with Straight, eight to queen [Jh Qh - P:Qh,P:Jh,B:10s,B:9d,B:8c]

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report them?

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he could also not be good and be a super donk.

Most "good" players will try to stack even there best friends at poker.

But yes report them

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cheating at absolute? surely not...

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he could also not be good and be a super donk.

Most "good" players will try to stack even there best friends at poker.

But yes report them

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Report them to who? LMAO.

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he could also not be good and be a super donk.

Most "good" players will try to stack even there best friends at poker.

But yes report them

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Report them to who? LMAO.

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May God be their judge (if Absolute won't)

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Somebody please tell why anybody is still playing at Absolute?????

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Somebody please tell why anybody is still playing at Absolute?????

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because it's soft I guess. I'd rather not play there but I can understand people doing it.

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I don't understand how people play there.

<font color="red"> THEY HAVE [CENSORED] PLAYERS WHO CAN [CENSORED] SEE YOUR [CENSORED] HOLE CARDS THE WHOLE [CENSORED] TIME! THE [CENSORED] CHEATING WAS PERPETRATED BY THE [CENSORED] OWNERS OF THE [CENSORED] OPERATION. </font>

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I don't understand how people play there.

<font color="red"> THEY HAVE [CENSORED] PLAYERS WHO CAN [CENSORED] SEE YOUR [CENSORED] HOLE CARDS THE WHOLE [CENSORED] TIME! THE [CENSORED] CHEATING WAS PERPETRATED BY THE [CENSORED] OWNERS OF THE [CENSORED] OPERATION. </font>

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Are we sure about this or are you just throwing things around...? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I don't understand how people play there.

<font color="red"> THEY HAVE [CENSORED] PLAYERS WHO CAN [CENSORED] SEE YOUR [CENSORED] HOLE CARDS THE WHOLE [CENSORED] TIME! THE [CENSORED] CHEATING WAS PERPETRATED BY THE [CENSORED] OWNERS OF THE [CENSORED] OPERATION. </font>

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Are we sure about this or are you just throwing things around...? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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This was all over the news, though it wasn't the owners, it was an employee trying to show it could be done. Look it up.

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I don't understand how people play there.

<font color="red"> THEY HAVE [CENSORED] PLAYERS WHO CAN [CENSORED] SEE YOUR [CENSORED] HOLE CARDS THE WHOLE [CENSORED] TIME! THE [CENSORED] CHEATING WAS PERPETRATED BY THE [CENSORED] OWNERS OF THE [CENSORED] OPERATION. </font>

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rakeback + bonus &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; hysteria

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rakeback + bonus &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt; getting ripped off even one hand per month

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fyp

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I don't understand how people play there.

<font color="red"> THEY HAVE [CENSORED] PLAYERS WHO CAN [CENSORED] SEE YOUR [CENSORED] HOLE CARDS THE WHOLE [CENSORED] TIME! THE [CENSORED] CHEATING WAS PERPETRATED BY THE [CENSORED] OWNERS OF THE [CENSORED] OPERATION. </font>

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Are we sure about this or are you just throwing things around...? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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This was all over the news, though it wasn't the owners, it was an employee trying to show it could be done. Look it up.

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not quite correct, sir. Try 'owners best friend' or similar.

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This was all over the news, though it wasn't the owners, it was an employee trying to show it could be done. Look it up.

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If only there was a website or something where people could see how absolute poker cheats....

<font color="white">There is delightful irony in some random muppet telling me that I haven't read enough on this fiasco.</font>

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This was all over the news, though it wasn't the owners, it was an employee trying to show it could be done. Look it up.

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If only there was a website or something where people could see how absolute poker cheats ....

<font color="white">There is delightful irony in some random muppet telling me that I haven't read enough on this fiasco.</font>

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Maybe use guise could use some absolute detectives to locate such a website or something.

lol at whiteout

gTg

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I don't understand how people play there.

<font color="red"> THEY HAVE [CENSORED] PLAYERS WHO CAN [CENSORED] SEE YOUR [CENSORED] HOLE CARDS THE WHOLE [CENSORED] TIME! THE [CENSORED] CHEATING WAS PERPETRATED BY THE [CENSORED] OWNERS OF THE [CENSORED] OPERATION. </font>

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Are we sure about this or are you just throwing things around...? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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This was all over the news, though it wasn't the owners, it was an employee trying to show it could be done. Look it up.

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Was obv only kidding IMO

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Was obv only kidding IMO

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That's what AJ Green told Joe Norton.

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Yes, I reported them. I got 2 emails, both of them very formletter-like. The 1st was saying that they received my report and had sent it on to the investigation team. The 2nd was this:

Dear Mr. _____,

Thank you for choosing Absolute Poker; it is a pleasure to be of your assistance. We appreciate you notifying us about what happened at the tables.

Please note that we started an investigation and this report has been passed to the investigations team who will investigate the players in question and all of there previous game play and we will follow the proper protocol to guarantee that this incident does not occur again. It is against our policy to reveal anything about another player or a player’s hand, so the actions taken against those suspected customers cannot be discussed with you. However, we thank you for bringing this activity to our attention.

If there is anything else we can assist you with please let us know."

So there it is.

btw, to those talking about hole-card viewing at Absolute, I seriously doubt it's happening at the 9 seat $11 sng's. And I certainly have seen no symptoms of that form of cheating.

Both players money'd, of course, so.... Absolute should give their winnings to the other players at the table, but I'm not holding my breath.

What other major websites still accept U.S. players?

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I think you are making a bit too much of this.

The guy may have mis-read his hand and thought he had Q high.
He may have been multi tableing and not paying attention.
He may have hit the wrong button.
He may be a donk.
He may be the guy who complained about Omaha cheating in the other thread. Perhaps he thought you could only use 1 hole card here.

If there was any kind of soft play or collusion he would simply bet out and win by a fold.

I know this is AP but lets not read too much into what seems like poor play or mis-reading.

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btw, to those talking about hole-card viewing at Absolute, I seriously doubt it's happening at the 9 seat $11 sng's. And I certainly have seen no symptoms of that form of cheating.

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Oh yeah, that certainly makes it a correct decision to play there...

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I don't understand how people play there.

<font color="red"> THEY HAVE [CENSORED] PLAYERS WHO CAN [CENSORED] SEE YOUR [CENSORED] HOLE CARDS THE WHOLE [CENSORED] TIME! THE [CENSORED] CHEATING WAS PERPETRATED BY THE [CENSORED] OWNERS OF THE [CENSORED] OPERATION. </font>

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Are we sure about this or are you just throwing things around...? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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This was all over the news, though it wasn't the owners, it was an employee trying to show it could be done. Look it up.

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levelled imo

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btw, to those talking about hole-card viewing at Absolute, I seriously doubt it's happening at the 9 seat $11 sng's. And I certainly have seen no symptoms of that form of cheating.

Both players money'd, of course, so.... Absolute should give their winnings to the other players at the table, but I'm not holding my breath.

What other major websites still accept U.S. players?

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Not worth it to cheat at a 50+5? hmmmmm probably not, what about a 100+9.....well better chance.

What about when they get hit by a major fraud ring, dont have enough money to cover their deposits.....hmm maybe they have enough morals to just walk away with the remaining money and let the player hold the bag. Owners who claim they had more morals than absoulute have done it in the past.

US players can play at Poker Stars ,Full Tilt, Cake, and many others

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I think you are making a bit too much of this.

The guy may have mis-read his hand and thought he had Q high.
He may have been multi tableing and not paying attention.
He may have hit the wrong button.
He may be a donk.
He may be the guy who complained about Omaha cheating in the other thread. Perhaps he thought you could only use 1 hole card here.

If there was any kind of soft play or collusion he would simply bet out and win by a fold.

I know this is AP but lets not read too much into what seems like poor play or mis-reading.

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That's a reasonable assumption, but before he folded, he chatted "yur lucky" and afterwards, the other guy said thanks and they both lol'd. Yes, they are idiots, but it's still softplaying and shouldn't be tolerated.

I agree that if it were collusion then he would have bet out and the other guy would have folded. But there was no one else in the hand to collude against; it wasn't collusion. It was softplaying, which is bad in a different way.

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btw, to those talking about hole-card viewing at Absolute, I seriously doubt it's happening at the 9 seat $11 sng's. And I certainly have seen no symptoms of that form of cheating.

Both players money'd, of course, so.... Absolute should give their winnings to the other players at the table, but I'm not holding my breath.

What other major websites still accept U.S. players?

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Not worth it to cheat at a 50+5? hmmmmm probably not, what about a 100+9.....well better chance.

What about when they get hit by a major fraud ring, dont have enough money to cover their deposits.....hmm maybe they have enough morals to just walk away with the remaining money and let the player hold the bag. Owners who claim they had more morals than absoulute have done it in the past.

US players can play at Poker Stars ,Full Tilt, Cake, and many others

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Thanks--which site has the most players these days?

I think you are probably right about the take-the-money-and-run possibility. I withdrew most of mine 2 weeks ago.

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That's a reasonable assumption, but before he folded, he chatted "yur lucky" and afterwards, the other guy said thanks and they both lol'd. Yes, they are idiots, but it's still softplaying and shouldn't be tolerated.

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You are quite right and I apologise for not reading your OP properly – I obviously just skimmed the initial paragraph and just looked at how the hand played out.

It does look like a softplay I must agree. I think the site (if it were honest – haha) would most likely warn the players in question if they have no history of doing this before. It probably did not alter the outcome of that hand. You had folded anyway to a legitimate bet and most likely the player with the pair would have folded to a bet on the river.

It is not right but a warning is correct if no history before. I posted a while ago when I thought I had been cheated by collusion on PokerStars. However, by the end of my thread I had changed my view to replies from posters here pointing out I was being a little too picky.

Right to report it though.

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Thanks--which site has the most players these days?



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Stars

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I don't understand how people play there.

<font color="red"> THEY HAVE [CENSORED] PLAYERS WHO CAN [CENSORED] SEE YOUR [CENSORED] HOLE CARDS THE WHOLE [CENSORED] TIME! THE [CENSORED] CHEATING WAS PERPETRATED BY THE [CENSORED] OWNERS OF THE [CENSORED] OPERATION. </font>

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rakeback + bonus &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; hysteria

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Fine...but why would someone make a post on 2+2 advertising the fact that you're still playing at AP? And a post whining about getting cheated there, no less!!!

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It is against our policy to reveal anything about another player or a player’s hand,

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This must be a new policy.