Question about ITM percentage
 

If my ITM is just over 22% I should be doing better than just above break even over a 2 year period correct? This is really frustrating me why I am not doing better.

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If my ITM is just over 22% I should be doing better than just above break even over a 2 year period correct? This is really frustrating me why I am not doing better.

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You are probably putting to much emphasis on just making the money. I used to be the same way but have learned it's better to get aggressive as the bubble approaches. You will make the money less but when you do you will on average have more chips. This will obviously lead to deeper runs where the money is more significant.

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No good player has an ITM that high.

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No good player has an ITM that high.

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apparently youve never heard of a man named baltostar

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No good player has an ITM that high.

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apparently youve never heard of a man named baltostar

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Mean but funny

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No good player has an ITM that high.

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Depends what level OP is playing, if he's playing micros then this is pretty standard due to 15-20% pay structure. [e.g. I'm at 29% ITM and am winning solidly(not lately, but overall)]

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concentrate more on ROI than ITM.

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Yeah I am playing 3R up to 28 NL so I assume that is why my ITM is higher. I do think my biggest problem is "limping" into the money. Are you guys playing more pots(limping with small pairs, suited connectors) or just doing more 3 betting,stealing early on?

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I've been wondering about this as well. I've noticed that my ITM is in that area as well, and now I'm thinking I need to loosen my game even more whenever I have a huge chiplead.

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at no point should you feel "content" with your stack to the point of just waiting for monsters. always be looking for +ev situations and realize that as the big stack people have to know in the back of their minds that they can bust out to you if they want to play a hand with you

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this is a realization I had recently as well. ITM was always around like 25%. But my ROI was hovering around 0% - 5%. I realized I was playing too conservatively on the bubble..making the money, but being shortstacked once the bubble bursts. I've changed that aspect of my game and in the short term my ITM is suffering, but I'm confident it will pay off with some big scores soon. Please?

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October Sky: It seems as though you are playing a survival style as opposed to an accumulating one. This is my problem as well. When you run "red hot" it can be very profitable, but if you run bad or even average this style gets you nowhere fast. I feel your pain although I was fortunate enough to experience the upside of variance for a brief spell where you clearly have not.

If anyone has any advice, examples and/or links to some articles for hopeless nitty schmucks like us it would be appreciated. I think it's hard for people like us to understand how to sacrifice 5% ITM for a big score, but we gladly would.

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No good player has an ITM that high.

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I'm running at 29% over 289 tournaments. But I'm pretty good at late game (and play micros $10-$26) so that might have a big difference. I've got a ROI of 109%. dunno, maybe I just run good...Of course I never play to survive...

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No good player has an ITM that high.

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I think Thay3r ment it,more so for higher buy-ins, rather then small and micro ones.
And this can also be confirmed by seeing the ITM% of the top Leaderboard players.

AtgDax

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It should also be noted that field size and satellite vs. non-satellite makes a difference.

For example, you would expect a higher ITM and lower ROI if you play mostly 2-table tournaments. Same should be true if you play a lot of satellites that award a large number of seats.

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who cares about ITM anyway? ROI is all that matters when you look at a sample of poker tourneys.

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If my ITM is just over 22% I should be doing better than just above break even over a 2 year period correct? This is really frustrating me why I am not doing better.

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over how many tourneys?

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Thepokerdb has me at 927 tournaments. Good point about the sats.....I have been playing more of those lately but my ITM has always been 20-23%.

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who cares about ITM anyway? $/Hour is all that matters when you look at a sample of poker tourneys.

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FYP.

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Is there such a thing as a 2+2 curse? I have not cashed in 14 straight tournaments since this post. I am only 3 way from my record of futility. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Is there such a thing as a 2+2 curse? I have not cashed in 14 straight tournaments since this post. I am only 3 way from my record of futility. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]meh, I have had 25 different streaks of 15+ non-cashes with a record or 45 and I am pretty good imho.

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Streak Statistics
Length 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15+

Cash 217 33 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Non-Cash 34 23 23 25 19 16 19 11 15 12 8 10 6 4 34
Longest Non-Cash Streak: 50

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this makes me feel better about the 15 15+ non-cash streak

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kind of a high jack, but at what point is sample size a good indicator? How many trnys is enough to give you a good idea where you stand?

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I am in the money with decent stacks in the 3R and 5 dollar tourney on stars.

I'M SO EXCITED
I'M SO EXCITED
I'M SOOOOOOOO SCARRRRREDDDDD

If you get that reference you are an old fart like me.

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kind of a high jack, but at what point is sample size a good indicator? How many trnys is enough to give you a good idea where you stand?

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the more you have, the more confidence you can have in your number. that being said ROI changes so dramaticly when you make a FT if you have less then 300 tourny.
For example winning a 360 person tourny returns around 70 buy ins, this alone would give you a ROI of 30% if you never ever made it ITM except for this one time...

if you didnt read above id be confident around 500 tournys. but very confident around 1000-1500 tourns of the same BI.

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kind of a high jack, but at what point is sample size a good indicator? How many trnys is enough to give you a good idea where you stand?

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the more you have, the more confidence you can have in your number. that being said ROI changes so dramaticly when you make a FT if you have less then 300 tourny.
For example winning a 360 person tourny returns around 70 buy ins, this alone would give you a ROI of 30% if you never ever made it ITM except for this one time...

if you didnt read above id be confident around 500 tournys. but very confident around 1000-1500 tourns of the same BI.

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my math is very wrong, was a long day at work and not thinking when i typed above. If you say a 1st = 70BI then if you got 1 first for every 35 tournys your ROI would be 100%... Since you will get in lesser pay outs at times it would increase. Either way i shouldnt have tried to make an example without concrete math. But still get 1k tournys under belt of same BI and you will be comfortable to know an ROI.

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For example, you would expect a higher ITM and lower ROI if you play mostly 2-table tournaments. Same should be true if you play a lot of satellites that award a large number of seats.

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^^^ this. i absolutely hate that OPR doesn't separate satellites from non (or just not include satellites at all, for that matter). my ITM% on OPR is well over 30% because i've played a truly absurd amount of satellites that i cash in over 50% of the time. makes my stats look [censored] stupid

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My itm% for the last 4 months has been just north of 14%. Obv that's terrible but when u win 1/4 of ur coinflips and get coolered more than frozen sausages (for fresh/funny material, turn on Leno). If u can avoid that, u can prob get up to 20%.

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Wow this is sick. About to 4 way chop for first in 5dollar rebuy for 4k. Going to be my biggest cash ever. Thanks for the advise to loosen up guys. TWO+TWO!!!!!!!!!!