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GiantBuddha 11-12-2007 05:01 AM

Re-re-re-steal? 50NL
 
Villain is 28/15/3 w/43% ATT to steal, over 82 hands. I shoved over a CO 3-bet of his two orbits ago from the SB and he folded. I get the feeling that he likes to get a little jiggy.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 ($91.60)
MP1 ($50.80)
MP2 ($48.50)
MP3 ($54.90)
CO ($67.45)
Button ($26.50)
Hero ($71.95)
BB ($7.75)
UTG ($82.70)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $17</font>, Hero...

bottomset 11-12-2007 05:03 AM

Re: Re-re-re-steal? 50NL
 
shoving is fine

The Eureka Kid 11-12-2007 05:05 AM

Re: Re-re-re-steal? 50NL
 
From your description I think shoving is +EV, you can't afford to be backing down to a player like that.

SABR42 11-12-2007 05:07 AM

Re: Re-re-re-steal? 50NL
 
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shoving is fine

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Johnes Benjamin 11-12-2007 05:22 AM

Re: Re-re-re-steal? 50NL
 
yep. he have a big pair?

the_main 11-12-2007 05:40 AM

Re: Re-re-re-steal? 50NL
 
shove all day

make sure to spike the ace to be sure

GiantBuddha 11-12-2007 05:47 AM

Re: Re-re-re-steal? 50NL
 
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yep. he have a big pair?

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Hopefully. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Probably not, though. He tanked then folded to my shove.

This is villain dependent, right? I mean, you wouldn't shove here against like a 12/3, would you? What about an unknown?

pureCra2z 11-12-2007 05:49 AM

Re: Re-re-re-steal? 50NL
 
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yep. he have a big pair?

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Hopefully. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Probably not, though. He tanked then folded to my shove.

This is villain dependent, right? I mean, you wouldn't shove here against like a 12/3, would you? What about an unknown?

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no and no

holdem2000 11-12-2007 06:10 AM

Re: Re-re-re-steal? 50NL
 
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Villain is 28/15/3 w/43% ATT to steal, over 82 hands.

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Given these stats I think it's still a push, but do keep in mind how small your sample size is... he's attempted to steal exactly 3/7 times (4/8 including this hand). If he were only around, say, 22/11 with this small a sample I don't know if I still like a push

ranka 11-12-2007 06:20 AM

Re: Re-re-re-steal? 50NL
 
This sample is too small. I would fold.

I mean, you are played too less hands together and I don't believe that he start playing back so early.

BlueBear 11-12-2007 10:49 AM

Re: Re-re-re-steal? 50NL
 
I don't remember the last time ANY VILLAIN 4-bets something that is not a big giant pair here. Fold this. I'll only consider making a 5-bet with a much better read other than a mere feeling he is getting "jiggy".

Renton 11-12-2007 11:07 AM

Re: Re-re-re-steal? 50NL
 
pretty trivial shove

AK JJ+ i'd prob play the same

holdem2000 11-12-2007 11:30 AM

Re: Re-re-re-steal? 50NL
 
Hmm, JJ doesn't feel like it cuts it here for me. What do you think villain is calling with, TT+ &amp; AQ+?

Renton 11-12-2007 12:07 PM

Re: Re-re-re-steal? 50NL
 
pot is way too big to worry about his calling range

ranka 11-12-2007 12:47 PM

Re: Re-re-re-steal? 50NL
 
Damn, I can't understand why shoving is fine here (better than folding). Can anyone would be so nice and explain?

SABR42 11-12-2007 12:50 PM

Re: Re-re-re-steal? 50NL
 
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Damn, I can't understand why shoving is fine here (better than folding). Can anyone would be so nice and explain?

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People do dumb stuff in late-position and blind battles. I'm never folding AK here unless I know villain is a huge nit.

bottomset 11-12-2007 02:08 PM

Re: Re-re-re-steal? 50NL
 
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pot is way too big to worry about his calling range

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and well JJ performs pretty similar to AK


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