Thin river value HU ($1/1)
 

We've been playing HU for about half an hour but villain is significantly mixing up his play with some pure bluffs, semibluffs and thin value-bets. He seems to be adjusting better than me and putting me under lots of pressure, but he will stack off far too light (i.e. he seems to be bet/3betting for pot with any draw + pair on almost any board). I've not seen him turn into a callstation OOP here and am wondering whether he's trapping me, or whether he's just wanting to call me down with K9 or something. I figure that if he's got K9 he'll be willing to call almost a full pot-size bet as he is very willing to put me on missed draws, but I just got the feeling on the river he was trying to play A9 for pot control OOP. Who finds a river value-bet?

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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $1/$1
2 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
hero: $344.80
BB: $218.45

Pre-flop: (2 players) hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">hero raises to $1.65</font>, BB calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($3.3, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">hero bets $5.3</font>, BB calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($13.9, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">hero bets $15.9</font>, BB calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($45.7, 2 players)
BB checks, hero checks.

Results:
Final pot: $45.7

Re: Thin river value HU ($1/1)
 

Definitely no value bet on this river... hoping he calls you with K9 is retarded tbh... plus do you feel you're ahead of his calling range when you bet the turn?

Re: Thin river value HU ($1/1)
 

I'm betting turn for value, for sure.

Re: Thin river value HU ($1/1)
 

I normally check behind here. This depends a lot on how you've been playing and how your opponent views your play.

Re: Thin river value HU ($1/1)
 

god learn to convert properly! 1$ and 1$ blinds and you raise to 1.65!? :-)

But seriously, i would 90% of the time check here as the chances that he had a busted draw also and wont call are high and if that aint the case he may have you beat
rarely will he call with worse hand, and checking you can gain info on him by seeing what he has, another reason to just check

Re: Thin river value HU ($1/1)
 

Heh, the converter read the HH wrong, it was a raise of $1.65.

Re: Thin river value HU ($1/1)
 

This could be a good bet call something like 10-15. His line strongly indicates he wouldnt c/r a9 hands here and u will give him 1 more oportunity to bluff and get some value if he make hero/potodds call.

Re: Thin river value HU ($1/1)
 

would a decent player really play K9 like this? I just check. I think you're behind enough here and he is hardly ever calling river when ur ahead.

Re: Thin river value HU ($1/1)
 

scratch that he doesnt have any draw, check behind, considering he doesn't have nfd you can also check turn behind safely and snap a river bluff from him.

Re: Thin river value HU ($1/1)
 

I think I valuebet here something like 20$

Re: Thin river value HU ($1/1)
 

i like a small bet. whatever you think he'll pay off with kings up. i highly doubt a player as you described shows up with a9+ here. and lol at the over bet of the pot on the turn. niceee

Re: Thin river value HU ($1/1)
 

I gave up HU after losing at a rate of ~11BB/100...So my advice sucks I'm sure. I think it is played well on all streets. I see little/no value in betting this river. I don't think he calls with a worse hand here more than 10% of the time.

Re: Thin river value HU ($1/1)
 

This is absolutely a check behind.

Re: Thin river value HU ($1/1)
 

I think if you bet you should call a raise, but that you shouldn't bet.

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Results: I checked back and he turned over KQJ2 no spades, and he would almost certainly have called a pot-sized bet.

Re: Thin river value HU ($1/1)
 

I'd check.

Re: Thin river value HU ($1/1)
 

I have read results but I would def bet. There are a few reasons to bet. 1. you get value from hands exactly like the one that he had. Which occur more frequently than people can believe,(given how they reached that spot). 2. If he folds, you pick up momentum; like in chess this is good. 3. If he does call you and you lose, it shows that you are capable of betting lightly in certain circumstances. I think this can only improve your results if you continue to play against him, as his view of your range will be like black rob.

Re: Thin river value HU ($1/1)
 

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Results: I checked back and he turned over KQJ2 no spades, and he would almost certainly have called a pot-sized bet.

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Too bad you didn't what he had. Would've been easy pot-sized bet on the river if he would have flipped his hand over right?

Re: Thin river value HU ($1/1)
 

I should start playing on Poker Room.

Re: Thin river value HU ($1/1)
 

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Results: I checked back and he turned over KQJ2 no spades, and he would almost certainly have called a pot-sized bet.

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Too bad you didn't what he had. Would've been easy pot-sized bet on the river if he would have flipped his hand over right?

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Are you claiming that I'm being results-oriented? I guess you are, and you couldn't be more wrong. Thinking about this hand a little more, my opinion is that a half-pot bet on the river is fine, as others have stated as long as I'm willing to call a checkraise.

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This is absolutely a check behind.

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Results: I checked back and he turned over KQJ2 no spades, and he would almost certainly have called a pot-sized bet.

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Too bad you didn't what he had. Would've been easy pot-sized bet on the river if he would have flipped his hand over right?

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Are you claiming that I'm being results-oriented? I guess you are, and you couldn't be more wrong. Thinking about this hand a little more, my opinion is that a half-pot bet on the river is fine, as others have stated as long as I'm willing to call a checkraise.

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I dont know your post smelled like "I should've bet because he had this" but with the information you gave us it was already clear that he would call you light.
And that he really couldn't have a flush draw here (he wont call twice with naked non-nut fd) (and if he had tp+nut fd/fd+straight draws he wouldnt just call twice) with eliminates a lot of drawing hands for him to have, which in turn leads to him having a made hand here often.
Now if you had the information that he would peel flops with midpair (and gutter or w/e) it would make for an easier river bet. But the way its played and with the information available its definitely a check behind. His most likely hand is 2p with Ax and you can't beat many of those. Valuebetting vs bare ace is very thin though, but I'd rather save that money since you already bet twice.