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hjkl 11-11-2007 05:34 PM

NL25, minraised set
 
how to proceed?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $36.95
CO: $29.70
BTN: $25.25
SB: $42.20
Hero (BB): $18.80
UTG: $25

Pre-Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, MP calls $0.25, CO folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $1.10</font>, SB folds, Hero calls $0.85, MP calls $0.85

Flop: ($3.40) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $2.40</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $4.80</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero ?

ShipitFMA 11-11-2007 05:45 PM

Re: NL25, minraised set
 
make it 13 and shove any turn

HarryPoker 11-11-2007 05:52 PM

Re: NL25, minraised set
 
same as Shipit

hjkl 11-11-2007 06:11 PM

Re: NL25, minraised set
 
given my remaining stack, raise to 13 would basically put me all-in. What about just call, and make 2 small bets on turn and river, or a crai on turn? His minraise doesn't look like a draw imo.

subs 11-11-2007 06:36 PM

Re: NL25, minraised set
 
people min raise their draws in position all the time to get free/cheap cards.... im 3 betting my set here with the intention of getting it all in on the flop

Arp220 11-11-2007 06:41 PM

Re: NL25, minraised set
 
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make it 13 and shove any turn

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hjkl 11-11-2007 06:57 PM

Re: NL25, minraised set
 
ok, thanks to all.

pokerplaya5 11-11-2007 07:25 PM

Re: NL25, minraised set
 
I would just call and check raise any turn all in. I think that the min raise is weak here and he will fold if you make it 13. Let him bet turn because he probably doesn't have much at all.

traz 11-11-2007 10:07 PM

Re: NL25, minraised set
 
i usually call and crai the turn

Waingro 11-11-2007 10:37 PM

Re: NL25, minraised set
 
I just push. Villain won´t always bet the turn if he is on a draw like QJ. Some people even check back overpairs on the turn.

boogie6 11-12-2007 06:41 AM

Re: NL25, minraised set
 
Fold PF.

Nemesis69 11-12-2007 06:56 AM

Re: NL25, minraised set
 
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Fold PF.

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wat

Lego05 11-12-2007 07:09 AM

Re: NL25, minraised set
 
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Fold PF.

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Uhh...that's fairly terrible....though not as bad as it would be if OP had a full stack.

boogie6 11-12-2007 07:13 AM

Re: NL25, minraised set
 
Em.. on NL25 so hard to play low-pocket well. We can play it for set value, but i'm not sure in our implied odds in this situation: position is bad and just one standard button-raiser, so we can miss. We need stats, reads &amp; good postflop skill to play this, IMHO.

Lego05 11-12-2007 07:17 AM

Re: NL25, minraised set
 
I barely ever fold a pocket pair pre-flop to one raise. I need a special reason (which could possibly come via stats or reads) in order to fold the pocket pair....not a reason in order to call with it. And I need a better reason to fold it then "The button is the one who raised and/or I'm OOP."

toddxlogan 11-12-2007 08:05 AM

Re: NL25, minraised set
 
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I barely ever fold a pocket pair pre-flop to one raise. I need a special reason (which could possibly come via stats or reads) in order to fold the pocket pair....not a reason in order to call with it. And I need a better reason to fold it then "The button is the one who raised and/or I'm OOP."

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In his defense, you are better at playing marginal hands OOP than a significant portion of the people here in UNL, I'm going to guess.

With a 75ish BB stack, a PFR to 4.5bb's is more than 5 percent of our stack. We may get a caller behind (the limper) but we certainly aren't positive. To call this, we need to be creative enough to not check/fold every time we miss on the flop. We need to be able to see situations here and there where we whiff and take it away from villain because of board texture , blah blah blah, etc . . .

That said, this is a(n easy) call for me, but I don't think its thaaaat bad if you aren't real confident with your postflop skills to fold a small pair to a raise when OOP and only 3/4 stacked.

As played: Repop to 12, shove your remaining few dollars on turn looks good. Overpair probably isn't going away and this is a vaguely drawing board for overcards/jq etc.

boogie6 11-12-2007 08:24 AM

Re: NL25, minraised set
 
toddxlogan, ty, it's that what i mean.. and i was wrong a little )

warchaser 11-12-2007 08:25 AM

Re: NL25, minraised set
 
i wouldn't checkraise the turn, cuz if he minraised with a draw he gets a free card, just 4bet this one and donkbet the turn all in

ROcketRO 11-12-2007 10:08 AM

Re: NL25, minraised set
 
i see a lot of people say to play it tricky. i think you should always 3-bet here and being given that you wont have much $ left for the turn you should push.


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