Ethicality of High Stakes HU - DaEvila
 

This chat is just happened when FoxwoodsFiend was waiting at a table and gopheresque sat down. Does no one have a problem with this?

DaEvils: you want a piece?
gopheresque: sup
DaEvils: it'll be me, krantz, and whitlelime talking
together
DaEvils: playing him
gopheresque: im a wuss when it comes to thta stuff
gopheresque: hmm
DaEvils: np
DaEvils: gl @ the tables
gopheresque: lemme think
sikersorozat (Observer): gl evils
DaEvils: cool
DaEvils: later
gopheresque: i thikn
gopheresque: it is def a good bet
gopheresque: dunno if i'd do it though still
DaEvils: np, let me know
DaEvils: later


Splitting action is fine, but playing 3 on 1 is pretty unfair and morally very questionable. I thought Ariel prided himself on being ethical and holding high morals?

Re: Ethicality of High Stakes HU - DaEvila
 

STFU Noob

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nothing wrong with splitting action as DaEvils prob has'nt got the roll to be playing 2 HU tables of 300/600 and maybe doesnt want to be risking alot of money playing a complete donk.

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And if Ivey and Antonius want to come over and help out as well, I don't see a problem with it.

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I don't personally do this but it's not against the rules, part of online poker

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It's already been established that however many ppl can play yatta yatta, right?

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I said nowhere that this was violating any terms. I simply said that it is questionably obtaining a huge advantage, possibly crossing (not illegal) moral and ethical standards. Then I wanted to know what everyone else thought about having 3+ people playing vs a mark in a nosebleed HU game (meaning he probably has no clue this practice even takes place and therefore you can't argue "he didn't have to sit") from an ethical/moral standpoint, not a legal one.

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I don't personally do this but it's not against the rules, part of online poker

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pretty sure BT said in his latest blog that he took 1/3 or your actionin your last 300/600 game

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And if Ivey and Antonius want to come over and help out as well, I don't see a problem with it.

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why would antonius come over? he pwns all by himself

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I don't personally do this but it's not against the rules, part of online poker

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pretty sure BT said in his latest blog that he took 1/3 or your actionin your last 300/600 game

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omg is it really that hard to understand, they're talking about helping eachother playing

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There's a difference between taking action and having people help you make live decisions.

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Anyone for a prop bet on whether tie53 shows up today?

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I don't think it's ethically wrong at all.

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Why is this limited to HU? I know some guys who do this in FR games. Whatever the case, if there is no rule at the site that states one player to a hand, then I really don't see the problem with it. Even if the marks don't know. The marks don't know a lot of things about poker; that's how we make our money.

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I can't edit my post but since there seems to be some confusion: I don't care or have a problem with taking action, I am focusing on tag teaming some random guy.

BK: Care to elaborate a bit?

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Seeing how the game of poker in itself is based on one player per hand tag teaming is obviously against the spirit of the game. But it's not against the sites rules so people are gonna do it which kind of sucks. Between that, multiaccounting, aim, superuser accounts etc. live ring games are starting to look much better to me unfortunately.

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I can't edit my post but since there seems to be some confusion: I don't care or have a problem with taking action, I am focusing on tag teaming some random guy.

BK: Care to elaborate a bit?

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I don't think that having somebody help you play is unethical.

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For those that see nothing wrong with this: You sit down to play tie53 HU. He takes your roll. You later find out that PA and The Terrorist were with tie53 and making decisions togather. You ok with that? What's the difference between this and what HIV did vs Gildwulf? I guess FWF cant beat a donk HU so he needs help. Pretty damn sad

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Nobody will play TIE on their own roll.

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And if Ivey and Antonius want to come over and help out as well, I don't see a problem with it.

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Nobody will play TIE on their own roll.

[/ QUOTE ] pretty sure stinger just said he does

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it sucks but there zero way to police this.

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I have no problem with splitting action; these stakes are getting sick and it's actually the smart thing to do. My only problem with this whole thing is the simple fact that people who are supposed to be good are teaming up vs donks. It's a joke. If I ever played that high and I found out that the person I was playing was teaming up, I would probably stalk them and beat them within an inch of their life (especailly with the amount of money involved). Did Whitelime and Krantz team up when they both went on that super rush a couple of months ago? Did CTS team up too? If I was perkysmerky, I would be looking for the best bat that Dick's Sporting Goods carrys.

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For those that see nothing wrong with this: You sit down to play tie53 HU. He takes your roll. You later find out that PA and The Terrorist were with tie53 and making decisions togather. You ok with that? What's the difference between this and what HIV did vs Gildwulf? I guess FWF cant beat a donk HU so he needs help. Pretty damn sad

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well you see, helping a fish is VERY wrong, but helping a good player is ok. makes perfect sense

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I can't edit my post but since there seems to be some confusion: I don't care or have a problem with taking action, I am focusing on tag teaming some random guy.

BK: Care to elaborate a bit?

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I don't think that having somebody help you play is unethical.

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i don't see why anyone would hold this opinion unless there is a misunderstanding of semantics of something, it is definitely unethical imo, especially when the other person can't see it, and especially at HSNL HU matches.

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Nobody will play TIE on their own roll.

[/ QUOTE ] pretty sure stinger just said he does

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Stinger said that he doesn't team up with other players

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For those that see nothing wrong with this: You sit down to play tie53 HU. He takes your roll. You later find out that PA and The Terrorist were with tie53 and making decisions togather. You ok with that? What's the difference between this and what HIV did vs Gildwulf? I guess FWF cant beat a donk HU so he needs help. Pretty damn sad

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so many better people to pick then the terroist but i agree. if i was sitting to play some high stakes poker against a mark like roland de wolfe for example and found out he was being joined by an array of his friends(like PA) who were making desicions as a group i dont think i would see it as being too fair. maximising your edge is one thing but this is crossing the line into jjprodigy terriorty

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pretty sad. pretty greedy. pretty unethical.

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OP - the HSNL crew will outnumber you everytime. yes it is unethical and they all would start crying if it happened to them

Jman got caught out the other week too doing it, typing his hand into what he thought was MSN/AIM etc. so the questiony ou should be asking is who isn't doing it

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Honestly, I think that in poker, I'd prefer to play a headsup match against 3 people of equal strength colluding, than one player.

This is very pronounced in blitz chess, when working together with 2-3 people, assuming all are relatively equal strength, generally produces worse results than just playing normally because all the differing viewpoints can be really distracting. At least this has always been my experience.

Whenever I have played poker with someone watching me, it drives me completely insane when they try to give advice that's contrary to what I'm about to do. It's simply impossible to focus when you only have so much time to make a decision.

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Watched tie53 against prah last night an didnt THINK he was that bad makinmg some good plays an at times had very big stacks didnt watch the end so not sure how he finished up!

Stinger you have played him is he really tht much of a fish that every1 wants to play him? I thought he kinda held his own HU with prah.

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Did CTS team up too?

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wtf? show some restraint before randomly bringing someone else's name out to try to drag through the mud

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Did CTS team up too?

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wtf? show some restraint before randomly bringing someone else's name out to try to drag through the mud

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yeah serious douchebag comments by steel there

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Did CTS team up too?

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wtf? show some restraint before randomly bringing someone else's name out to try to drag through the mud

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I think he didnt mean anything against you. I know that you didn't/don't, but I'm sure KRANTZ and whitelime teamed up over the summer as well.

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it is the online corporation . that is what was done to play andy beal . wish i could get a piece

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part of online poker imo

while it might be morally questionable, it's not enforceable so the only alternative as i see it is to allow it

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I don't think that having somebody help you play is unethical.

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Yeah, it only goes against A BASIC FUNDAMENTAL RULE OF POKER.

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it is the online corporation . that is what was done to play andy beal . wish i could get a piece

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Difference being, Beal was aware of it and agreed to it before hand. He knew exactly who he was playing. At no point was he playing more than one person simultaneously.

You think Beal would ever agree to a match where Ivey,Barry G. and Doyle were collectively playing every hand against him?

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