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GoodCallYouWin 11-11-2007 03:33 PM

Collectivism : How to stop it?
 
I think it is clear that when one realizes the danger inherent in collectivism, socialism, fascism and other related philosophies it becomes equally obvious that you should do whatever you can to fighting it. What is the most effective way for an ordinary person to battle the forces of collectivism and evil?

Borodog 11-11-2007 03:51 PM

Re: Collectivism : How to stop it?
 
Arguing on the internets LDO.

pvn 11-11-2007 03:52 PM

Re: Collectivism : How to stop it?
 
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I think it is clear that when one realizes the danger inherent in collectivism, socialism, fascism and other related philosophies it becomes equally obvious that you should do whatever you can to fighting it. What is the most effective way for an ordinary person to battle the forces of collectivism and evil?

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Help other people figure realize it, too. Once enough people figure it out, the rest will happen on its own.

Borodog 11-11-2007 03:54 PM

Re: Collectivism : How to stop it?
 
YO PONY TOO SLO MOFO!

PLOlover 11-11-2007 04:41 PM

Re: Collectivism : How to stop it?
 
rescind women's suffrage

DontRaiseMeBro 11-11-2007 05:03 PM

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vote for hillary

Borodog 11-11-2007 05:11 PM

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rescind women's suffrage

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Solid second choice.

xorbie 11-11-2007 05:15 PM

Re: Collectivism : How to stop it?
 
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I think it is clear that when one realizes the danger inherent in collectivism, socialism, fascism and other related philosophies it becomes equally obvious that you should do whatever you can to fighting it. What is the most effective way for an ordinary person to battle the forces of collectivism and evil?

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Help other people figure realize it, too. Once enough people figure it out, the rest will happen on its own.

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I'm hoping this happens soon, because it seems that it must be near a tipping point. Few things go Paul's way, who know where we are 5-10 years down the line.

Hopeatron 11-11-2007 05:57 PM

Re: Collectivism : How to stop it?
 
It's amazing what the Internet has done for the R[EVOL]ution. I like to think technology allowing these ideas to foster & reach people will help tear down collectivism.

zasterguava 11-11-2007 08:33 PM

Re: Collectivism : How to stop it?
 
Mostly, the only respectable political philosophies IMO rely on some form of collectivism, though there are exceptions.

In terms of fighting evil, I think you have a different task on your hands. And it renders your question incomprehendable.

Moseley 11-11-2007 09:37 PM

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What is the most effective way for an ordinary person to battle the forces of collectivism and evil?

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You could spend x amount of hrs per week, knocking out doors, passing out info on the various candidates position on the topic, and, if need be (which you often will) explaine exactly what it is.

I plan on spending a minimum of 4 hrs a week starting this week passing out info on various candidates in areas where I think it is most likely the people do not bother to vote.

I am also going to explain to them that the most secure way to vote, since we use electronic voting machines, is by absentee ballot.

p-brane 11-12-2007 12:48 AM

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What is the most effective way for an ordinary person to battle the forces of collectivism and evil?

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Good question. In my opinion it is to clarify the issue and to then share your clarity with others. That may sound silly, but let's try a simple poll to test our collective clarity on this issue...

ikestoys 11-12-2007 02:15 AM

Re: Collectivism : How to stop it?
 
I am an anarchist
Don't know what I want
But I know how to get it

Case Closed 11-12-2007 02:36 AM

Re: Collectivism : How to stop it?
 
p-brane,

Both parties are striving for collectivism at an awe inspiring rate. The republicans once spoke of going away from big government mentality...but those were all lies(I am referencing contract with America specifically).

AlexM 11-12-2007 03:04 AM

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What is the most effective way for an ordinary person to battle the forces of collectivism and evil?

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Good question. In my opinion it is to clarify the issue and to then share your clarity with others. That may sound silly, but let's try a simple poll to test our collective clarity on this issue...

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Where's the option for "both equally?"

NickMPK 11-12-2007 03:11 AM

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What is the most effective way for an ordinary person to battle the forces of collectivism and evil?

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Good question. In my opinion it is to clarify the issue and to then share your clarity with others. That may sound silly, but let's try a simple poll to test our collective clarity on this issue...

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I sure hope it is the Democrats, or else I don't know why I keep voting for them.

wtfsvi 11-12-2007 03:32 AM

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I am also going to explain to them that the most secure way to vote, since we use electronic voting machines, is by absentee ballot.

[/ QUOTE ] Don't you think that will make you seem like a nutty conspiracy theorist?

tame_deuces 11-12-2007 05:39 AM

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What is the most effective way for an ordinary person to battle the forces of collectivism and evil?

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I'd start by pulling Excalibur from the stone and going from there.

moorobot 11-12-2007 07:22 AM

Re: Collectivism : How to stop it?
 
There are two coherent and plausible strategies for overcoming this great and devestating evil:

#1: Learn some mofo karate and ninja sheet and start kicking. Then pick up some rocks and find some dorks and start throwing.

#2: This is based off my favorite ever Borodog post that I enjoy only for non-saracastic reasons:

Formula for anarchist success:

1. Totalitarian state
2. ???
3. Utopia

MidGe 11-12-2007 08:13 AM

Re: Collectivism : How to stop it?
 
"As troops who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan observe Veterans Day today, they will be cheered by a supportive nation and a government that has developed an elaborate network of benefits and services to ease their transition to civilian life."

Well because it came down to benefits and I cannot do an OP on this froum for a week, I thought this was a good OP to respond to with the view of the Boston Globe about the entitlements of veterans. This is very much a form of collectivism and something that would have to be absolutely abhorrent to most most ACers as incompatible to their philosophies.

My advice is to veterans to stay well away from AC has it has no understanding of sacrifice for the nation and for liberty.

popeye18 11-12-2007 02:42 PM

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"As troops who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan observe Veterans Day today, they will be cheered by a supportive nation and a government that has developed an elaborate network of benefits and services to ease their transition to civilian life."

Well because it came down to benefits and I cannot do an OP on this froum for a week, I thought this was a good OP to respond to with the view of the Boston Globe about the entitlements of veterans. This is very much a form of collectivism and something that would have to be absolutely abhorrent to most most ACers as incompatible to their philosophies.

My advice is to veterans to stay well away from AC has it has no understanding of sacrifice for the nation and for liberty.

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Im pretty sure acists(could be way off here as im not that informed on the subject) believe veterans would be taken care of in the form of chairty.

RR 11-12-2007 02:43 PM

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"As troops who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan observe Veterans Day today, they will be cheered by a supportive nation and a government that has developed an elaborate network of benefits and services to ease their transition to civilian life."

Well because it came down to benefits and I cannot do an OP on this froum for a week, I thought this was a good OP to respond to with the view of the Boston Globe about the entitlements of veterans. This is very much a form of collectivism and something that would have to be absolutely abhorrent to most most ACers as incompatible to their philosophies.

My advice is to veterans to stay well away from AC has it has no understanding of sacrifice for the nation and for liberty.

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Im pretty sure acists(could be way off here as im not that informed on the subject) believe veterans would be taken care of in the form of chairty.

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I think most likely they would negotiate their entire compensation package prior to taking the job.

pvn 11-12-2007 02:56 PM

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"As troops who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan observe Veterans Day today, they will be cheered by a supportive nation and a government that has developed an elaborate network of benefits and services to ease their transition to civilian life."

Well because it came down to benefits and I cannot do an OP on this froum for a week, I thought this was a good OP to respond to with the view of the Boston Globe about the entitlements of veterans. This is very much a form of collectivism and something that would have to be absolutely abhorrent to most most ACers as incompatible to their philosophies.

My advice is to veterans to stay well away from AC has it has no understanding of sacrifice for the nation and for liberty.

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Im pretty sure acists(could be way off here as im not that informed on the subject) believe veterans would be taken care of in the form of chairty.

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What veterans? Under AC, there is no government, and hence, no government-run military. There might very well be force specialists, but they'd be employees of firms just like any other people, and would have things like employee benefit packages, employer-matching retirement funds, etc.

The once and future king 11-12-2007 04:32 PM

Re: Collectivism : How to stop it?
 
Arrange a meeting with other like minded non collectivists, form an anti collectivist lobbying group/political organisation, elect a committee, then elect a chairman from the committee, then get the chairman to ratify a constitution made by the committee. Make sure all members follow constitution on pain of expulsion from organisation. LDO.

foal 11-12-2007 06:56 PM

Re: Collectivism : How to stop it?
 
Try to make it clear to everyone who doesn't agree with you what idiots they are. Resort to making fun of their grammar mistakes (online) or how stupid their clothes look (IRL) if necessary. They will eventually realize that you rule and they drool and then start agreeing with you.

pvn 11-12-2007 11:09 PM

Re: Collectivism : How to stop it?
 
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Try to make it clear to everyone who doesn't agree with you what idiots they are. Resort to making fun of their grammar mistakes (online) or how stupid their clothes look (IRL) if necessary. They will eventually realize that you rule and they drool and then start agreeing with you.

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This technique is surprisingly effective. Don't knock it till you've tried it.

ALawPoker 11-13-2007 01:04 AM

Re: Collectivism : How to stop it?
 
This sums it up pretty well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYLMTvxOaeE

Moseley 11-13-2007 01:39 AM

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"As troops who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan observe Veterans Day today, they will be cheered by a supportive nation and a government that has developed an elaborate network of benefits and services to ease their transition to civilian life."

Well because it came down to benefits and I cannot do an OP on this froum for a week, I thought this was a good OP to respond to with the view of the Boston Globe about the entitlements of veterans. This is very much a form of collectivism and something that would have to be absolutely abhorrent to most most ACers as incompatible to their philosophies.

My advice is to veterans to stay well away from AC has it has no understanding of sacrifice for the nation and for liberty.

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Im pretty sure acists(could be way off here as im not that informed on the subject) believe veterans would be taken care of in the form of chairty.

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If we lived in an AC nation that decided to go to war, and sent a small percentage of their population to battle to defend whatever it is the group as a whole want defended, why would those who went to war and survived to return home, with missing limbs and PTSD, have to rely on charity from those who decided to give up a nickel or two?


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