(Party 5/10) 2 questionable preflop folds
 

Villain in both Hands is psykotow (21/17/3.48). He is tight preflop, 3-bets "normal" and I've never seen him making 4-bet bluffs or in general, loose 4-bets. He knows that I'm a loose squeezer / 3 better.

How bad are these folds:

1.)
Party Poker, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $1,957
CO: $1,372.75
Hero (BTN): $1,000
SB: $1,099
BB: $1,684
UTG: $1,239

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $35</font>, MP calls $35, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $160</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $1,099 and is All-In</font>, 4 folds

Results: $400 Pot

2.)
Party Poker, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $2,370
Hero (BTN): $1,347
SB: $1,962.75
BB: $350.25
UTG: $190
MP: $1,128

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $35</font>, CO calls $35, <font color="red">Hero raises to $160</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $1,128 and is All-In</font>, 2 folds

Results: $370 Pot

Re: (Party 5/10) 2 questionable preflop folds
 

I just call in #2

I think folding #1 is ok

Re: (Party 5/10) 2 questionable preflop folds
 

Yeah, I agree with praetor on hand 2.

What are UTG's stats in hand 1?

Re: (Party 5/10) 2 questionable preflop folds
 

i saw him shove 88 in pretty much the same spot as #2.

Re: (Party 5/10) 2 questionable preflop folds
 

#1: all in, easy.
#2: tough. fold it the first time around, but don't give him too much credit..

Re: (Party 5/10) 2 questionable preflop folds
 

If u call 1st hand i will fold 2nd hand. If u fold 1st hand i will call 2nd hand. If this hands were played in different session i will call both, no need for him to reise so much with AA or KK, the best he can hold is QQ or unpaired cards AQ or smth.

Re: (Party 5/10) 2 questionable preflop folds
 

WTF

How aren't these both snap calls?

#1 I'd only fold if UTG is a total nit and you know psyktow won't be squeezing light

#2 is a typical squeeze spot, and you are considering folding AK for 110bb vs a reg? SNAAAAAAP call it all day.

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WTF

How aren't these both snap calls?

#2 is a typical squeeze spot, and you are considering folding AK for 110bb vs a reg? SNAAAAAAP call it all day.

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I have TT in #2

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WTF

How aren't these both snap calls?

#2 is a typical squeeze spot, and you are considering folding AK for 110bb vs a reg? SNAAAAAAP call it all day.

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I have TT in #2

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ok, my bad. I'd prob just call pf, i like to polarise my range here. I'd stack off with JJ for sure, TT is tough.

Re: (Party 5/10) 2 questionable preflop folds
 

hand 1 i call hand 2 i fold against this villain

Re: (Party 5/10) 2 questionable preflop folds
 

hand 2 is a pretty std fold imo.

hand 1 is a little tougher, depends how solid UTG is because that determines if SB would resqueeze light. If UTG is pretty aggro i'd stack with AK here. If not I might fold it esp if I haven't seen SB getting out of line recently.

Re: (Party 5/10) 2 questionable preflop folds
 

has anyone in this thread even tried to give him a range?

Re: (Party 5/10) 2 questionable preflop folds
 

Hand 1 you need 0.39 equity to make the call profitable. Even against the tightest range KK+,AKs, AKo you have 0.37, nearly making the call good and only being a 44$ mistake.
I definitely think you should be calling the first hand, as you can expect to him push some lower pp and bluffs sometimes.

Re: (Party 5/10) 2 questionable preflop folds
 

I'd call both but my image is probaly differnt from yours.

Re: (Party 5/10) 2 questionable preflop folds
 

I pretty much never fold no. 1 vs most regs in my game. Given your description of yourself I really can't believe you folded so close to the top of your range.

I probably fold 2. Also, if you folded 1 I think he generally expects to be looked up lighter here. Of course if you always follow this logic then you'd never call.

Re: (Party 5/10) 2 questionable preflop folds
 

hand 2 easy fold.

Hand 1 fold but not easy. We are 40% vs TT+, AK. The only way this becomes a call is if he does it with AQ and decent players don't do that.

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I'd call both but my image is probaly differnt from yours.

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Re: (Party 5/10) 2 questionable preflop folds
 

Folds both.

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An argument could be made for a fold in hand 2. Hand 1 is easiest call ever. You've got the equity.... AND..... wait for it.... wait for it..... wait for it..... THERE'S MORE TO POKER THAN EQUITY.

Re: (Party 5/10) 2 questionable preflop folds
 

Everyone saying insta call hand 2. You realize we squeezed an UTG raiser and got cold 4bet allin.

Re: (Party 5/10) 2 questionable preflop folds
 

i am just folding both

Re: (Party 5/10) 2 questionable preflop folds
 

snap call 1.

2 is a fold

Re: (Party 5/10) 2 questionable preflop folds
 

Hand one is much closer than people are making it out to be. His range is probably TT+/AK or something, haven't done the math but calling is probably neutral EV. I still call because it's basically a 0 EV spot and calling is good for meta.

Hand 2 is also very borderline. A case could be made for calling and folding, but I'd personally lean towards calling.