600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

GrafKalostro or whatever his name is... he runs like 23/19 but seems to squeeze, 3bet, etc. at every opportunity.

One time he squeezed from the BB, the TAG SB shoved into him, and Graf called for stacks with KJo. He's also taken a big pot off me when he raised flop with a FD, I whiffed turn c/r, and he flushed river against my AA.


I opened 72o UTG and showed down a pair of 7's at this table earlier. Other than that, nothing major. SB is huge fish.

4bet should be smaller, and what should I do vs. the push if I had made it like 230?



Party Poker, $3/$6 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG): $676.05
BTN: $561
SB: $239.15
BB: $1,252.45

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $21</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $18, <font color="red">BB raises to $90</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $282</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $1,246.45 and is All-In

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

lol

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

fold, youre prolly beat

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

wow that's sick, i usually expect them to flat call.

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

what were your other 2437 posts about? investment banking?

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

2400 posts?

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what were your other 2437 posts about? investment banking?

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click my name -&gt; show user's posts if you really care ???

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

i see most of them are pokerrelated. i dont see how the [censored] this hand causes you any trouble.

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lol

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Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

Is his range AA+ here?

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

Well clearly it did, that's why I posted it, so if it's a snap for you then write something useful or go comment somewhere else?

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

HELL [censored] CALL.

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Is his range AA+ here?

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I'm not sure. I haven't been in this spot a lot, what do you think a reasonable range is?

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

jesus this better be a huge level. have you ever used pokerstove or just thought about handranges and equity as a concept?

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

you start the hand w/ 115bb and you stick 50 of them in PF. what's the question? he could show you exactly KK and you almost have odds to call.

4bet size is awful and so is 4betting AQ w/o the intention of calling 100bb deep...IMO.

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

No his range isn't only AA, so call.

But, 4-betting AQ in position here and not knowing how you are going to respond to a shove is a leak.

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4bet size is awful and so is 4betting AQ w/o the intention of calling 100bb deep...IMO.

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That's what I'm looking for. Do you 4bet in this spot? How much, and do you call a shove?

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

if i 4 bet this here and that's a big if. it is very player dependent and i can't tell you if it's right to do so or not...i would 4 bet to 230ish and i would be calling a shove 100% if i 4 bet it.

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

alright, just to end this thread:
on this limit and this site and vs this opponent 4betting is totally fine. id just repot it to like 370 or whatever and OBVIOUSLY (if this is not obvious to you, please read a lot in microstakes) call a shove.

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

omg

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

Any 4-bet with these stacks are going to price you into to calling (unless you min raise or something stupid like that).

So, you have to decide before you 4-bet if you want to play for stacks.

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id just repot it to like 370 or whatever

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thats gross sizing

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

how on earth is the betsizing important? we 4bet, we get it in. if villain is mildly competent he'll know this. hence, it doesnt matter.

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

Because 4-betting smaller allows you to 4-bet bluff sometimes?

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

guess it's not important if you absolutely never 4bet bluff, in which case you should also probably never 4bet AQ since longterm you'll be getting the money in very bad.

i mean if you make it 370 what does he put the rest in w/?

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guess it's not important if you absolutely never 4bet bluff, in which case you should also probably never 4bet AQ since longterm you'll be getting the money in very bad.

i mean if you make it 370 what does he put the rest in w/?

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370=250=shove

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

given your reads that he loves to squeeze, I like the 4 bet/call plan. I make it alot smaller though, like $210. Against normal tags read less I muck pf

As played, you have to call given the price

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guess it's not important if you absolutely never 4bet bluff, in which case you should also probably never 4bet AQ since longterm you'll be getting the money in very bad.

i mean if you make it 370 what does he put the rest in w/?

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370=250=shove

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other than the fact that ur willing to get all the money in once you 4bet these bet sizes aren't one and the same.

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given your reads that he loves to squeeze, I like the 4 bet/call plan. I make it alot smaller though, like $210. Against normal tags read less I muck pf

As played, you have to call given the price

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Is your bet sizing in hope that it might give him the impression of FE so he might shove wider?

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

yes, it invites him to get it in with a much wider range than the bet sizing in the OP, and it means when we bluff 4 bet small its cheaper and has more credence

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

He definitely squeezes light, plus he called off 100bb with KJo against a screw play, so I figure AQ to be quite strong against his range, especially given he should be folding a lot of pocket pairs here (assuming he squeezes with some of them).

So if a 4bet is correct here, and if I'm always calling AI against a 5bet, then my 4bet should be sized for maximum fold equity, does that make any sense?

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

no, you want to give him the impression he has FE

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So if a 4bet is correct here, and if I'm always calling AI against a 5bet, then my 4bet should be sized for maximum fold equity, does that make any sense?

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no, it should be sized to maximize expectation. it should also fit into your overall gameplan. shoving fits into a shoving type gameplan w/ Axs hands as well as your big hands. 4 betting 2.5xish fits into a gameplan that allows you to make some 4bet bluffs w/ hands like 67o then fold to a shove. when you are doing this he will also be shoving hands like JTs sometimes as a 5bet bluff knowing you 4bet bluff sometimes.

making some sort of PSB or making it 300 is just dumb and will usually result in you getting the money in bad the majority of the time you get it in.

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

id 4ball even smaller, like 245.

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

everything LucidDream says i agree with. fwiw.

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will usually result in you getting the money in bad the majority of the time you get it in.

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thats just so wrong in this hand.

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will usually result in you getting the money in bad the majority of the time you get it in.

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thats just so wrong in this hand.

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not really - unless you are talking about something very villain specific.

why do i click on these threads thinking they will be good

Re: 600 party I 4bet loose squeeze with AQ, and he [censored] shoves
 

so ur saying that if you 4bet to 300 or 370 like you said you would, that he is going to be sticking the money in here w/ worse than AQ often?

find a HH where you have put over half your stack in on a 4bet 100bb deep w/ AQ and he's shown up w/ something worse like AJ, KJ, etc...

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lol @ re potting it

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So, you have to decide before you 4-bet if you want to play for stacks.

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srsly how the hell do you not know how you're going to react to a shove before you 4bet? Christ that's awful