Scotty Nguyen says High Stakes Poker is fake? (x-post from t.v.)
 

So, I'm playing a cash game after busting out of one of the Scotty Nguyen Classic tournaments in Tulsa. I made a Hellmuthian type call, but alas was sucked out on ... but that's for a different forum. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Anyhoo, one of the players starts saying how she had a lengthy conversation with Scotty Nguyen and that he [Scotty] informed her that HSP is fake. All money won/lost is left behind. So, basically, it's a 0 risk game.

Now, I've seen every episode and if it's fake, then the players deserve Oscars. I mean, Negreanu (last season) and Harman (this season) very obviously going on tilt, Doyle laying down a T-high flush to Gold (why do that if it's fake), Ivey folding KK to that Booth bluff, et. all?

I had heard they received appearance fees (not even sure if that's true), but to say it's fake, I'm not sure I can believe...unless they have some sort of behind-the-scene player agreement.

She went on to say that he said PAD was legit, but that's not real news.

Anybody else heard this?

Disclaimer: The woman who told me this is pretty respected in that poker room, but I don't really know her from Moses, so no personal experience with her credibility.

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fwiw (little), i don't think it's fake. havent heard anything even remotely like that. But I LOVE your avatar.

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fwiw (little), i don't think it's fake. havent heard anything even remotely like that. But I LOVE your avatar.

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Everybody says that. I'm not the only J-Love fan on this board apparently .

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Wait so you heard that some woman heard that Scotty Nguyen says that HSP is fake. I'm convinced.

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Wait so you heard that some woman heard that Scotty Nguyen says that HSP is fake. I'm convinced.

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No, the woman told me directly while playing at my table and Scotty standing about 30 feet away. Scotty left before I could approach him...and believe you me, I was planning to.

And she didn't hear that he said it, Scotty told her directly. I thought that was clear, but maybe not.

Maybe 'ol Bear Greenstein can come on here and set the record straight...though I and most others believe it's a legit show.

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Several of the players on HSP do exchange big pieces of each other, which means they are playing 0 risk in pots against each other.

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ITS RIGGED I KNEW IT


No, seriously, I ran HSP through my own special pot odds thingy and it shows:"ZOMG THIS [cenzomgored] is FAKE STREET 123"

OMG I KNEW IT RIGGED FAKE OMG HU4ROLLZ

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This would be AMAZINGLY bad if true - but luckily, I think its v. unlikely...

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i heard negreanu was not even coming back cause he said it was fake in his blog or something...or was it a magazine...

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how can it be fake if Jman walked away with 25k?

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Yes, Jman has obviously confirmed that it is legit. Or he's part of the conspiracy.

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Several of the players on HSP do exchange big pieces of each other, which means they are playing 0 risk in pots against each other.

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Maybe this is what he means by "fake," just mis-interpreted through another person? Either that or her "Babyfish" translator was a little off (the THIRD "baby" means he's only talking about a few players who have stakes in each other, not the second).

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I really dont believe this, obviously because it is unconfirmed by any really reliable source, and that Scotty has not played on a single season either.

I think I remember that on Negreanu's blog mentioned that they are paid to play on the show (some really high hourly fee) And if you remember Phil Galfond did have a thread about his experience on the show, and I really do not think that he would have mentioned that he was playing short stacked day one to be able to play in the deep stack 500k buy in if it wasnt for real money.

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She misunderstood. HSP is real (they get 3K/h I think) but PAD is fake as those are just freerolls for the players. The money (120k)is payed out to the winner but nobody puts up any money.

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Ok in this hand, your going to bluff off a couple hundred grand to this guy who flops quad kings... AND ACTION!

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Well, if alot of the players do exchange pieces of eachother, which I'm sure does occur, and only a few of the people on the table aren't involved, it is to a degree fake, except for the hands between people that aren't in partnership.

Matusow / PH hand from first episode this year. Fake?

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i highly doubt people who are playing in the same game are taking peices of each other.

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not fake

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She misunderstood. HSP is real (they get 3K/h I think) but PAD is fake as those are just freerolls for the players. The money (120k)is payed out to the winner but nobody puts up any money.

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Where in the world did you get this information? Each player buys in for the same amount. Now whether it's their own money (staked), or %s of one another, is another thing, but NBC does not front the buy-ins.

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i highly doubt people who are playing in the same game are taking peices of each other.

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Welcome to poker, it happens.

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Ok in this hand, your going to bluff off a couple hundred grand to this guy who flops quad kings... AND ACTION!

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CUT! Mike, what are you doing there? You're supposed to re-raise! Somebody give him his lines again. I want the cocktail ladies in the background on this shot. Places...ACTION!

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CUT! Mike, what are you doing there? You're supposed to re-raise! Somebody give him his lines again. I want the cocktail ladies in my trailer

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Im sure its legit, but that being said....

1)Anyone who knows anything about show bussiness, sports, employment contracts etc knows there is certain things players (employees) can't say to participate. Im sure in the contract where they get their appearance fee there is a "can not disclose "x" details"... this would include saying the show is not real... If you say something the show can probably file suit for the apperance fee they offered.
2)"Cross-booking" - a player owns X% of another player. Theoretically if there was 10 players, and each player owned 10% of all other 10% the game could be 0 risk. Simply put, we dont know that it is real or fake, but rather that it may not be 100% as it appears.
3) The game may be -ev as it is surly not the easieast game in town... but since the players get an appearance fee the game may be breakeven, or even +ev for some... This factor ways in some, but i dont see how it would constitute the game being "fake"...

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fwiw (little), i don't think it's fake. havent heard anything even remotely like that. But I LOVE your avatar.

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Everybody says that. I'm not the only J-Love fan on this board apparently .

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Is that who she is? Pretty grainy, couldn't tell exactly, was concentrating on some udder aspects of the picture.

Also, since the players all do know each other so well on the show, many having running prop bets/owing one another large sums etc., I'm sure there is a fair amount of financial cross-pollination going on, but definitely no outright collusion or team play. imo

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[x] nvg

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scotty is not trustworthy, he is a poker player.

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Im sure its legit, but that being said....

1)Anyone who knows anything about show bussiness, sports, employment contracts etc knows there is certain things players (employees) can't say to participate. Im sure in the contract where they get their appearance fee there is a "can not disclose "x" details"... this would include saying the show is not real... If you say something the show can probably file suit for the apperance fee they offered.
2)"Cross-booking" - a player owns X% of another player. Theoretically if there was 10 players, and each player owned 10% of all other 10% the game could be 0 risk. Simply put, we dont know that it is real or fake, but rather that it may not be 100% as it appears.
3) The game may be -ev as it is surly not the easieast game in town... but since the players get an appearance fee the game may be breakeven, or even +ev for some... This factor ways in some, but i dont see how it would constitute the game being "fake"...

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first of all if everyone had 10% of everyone it would just reduce the stakes by 10%... There would be no "zero risk". Second of all there has been so much terrible play on this show to say that it is neutral ev with appearance fees for the best players is rediculous.

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Next you will try and tell me that Bear Gryls guy don't sleep nekked in a snow cave then get up and eat 3 piss ants for breakfast.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Stakes_Poker

It is real, they also get $1,250 per hour for playing

"In season one, Daniel Negreanu confirmed in a post on his website's forums that all players were paid $1,250 per hour for taking part "

And besides, has Scotty Nguyen ever even played on HSP? I don't remeber him ever being on there.

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So Jerry Buss and these other wealthy non poker pro donks come to the game and participate in the fake game?

..I highly doubt it.

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http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/6...0207dp9.th.jpg

It's real and it's spectacular!

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Yeah, I'm gonna listen to anything Scotty Nguyen says about a cash game.

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If the game were 'fake', there are two possibilites with the latter being more likely. 1. GSN is running a completely fake game where no money changes hands (this possibility can be pretty well refuted, as has been done in this thread) or 2. many or all of the players have worked out an agreement where they give back each other's money after the game, content with collecting the hourly wage and the coveted TV time. In the latter scenario, most likely it would be among only the players that know each other very well, which would exclude the rich whales, the online noobs, etc. As far as they knew, the game would be on the up and up.

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2)"Cross-booking" - a player owns X% of another player. Theoretically if there was 10 players, and each player owned 10% of all other 10% the game could be 0 risk. Simply put, we dont know that it is real or fake, but rather that it may not be 100% as it appears.

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That's not what cross booking means. What you are describing would be "swapping percentages".

Also, while I cannot be 100% as I have never played on it, I'm about as close as you can be to certain that the show is quite real.

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Yeah, I'm gonna listen to anything Scotty Nguyen says about a cash game.

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dude scotty is a real pro. a [censored] CARD shark. CARDS, the things you hold in your hand, not some [censored] online computer simulation. He knows wtf hes talking about!

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IMHO I don't think HSP is fake, and I agree with an earlier poster that if it is fake, the players deserve oscars.

In comparison, I do question PAD. They must have deals made ahead of time, etc. There is NO EMOTION on there EVER. There is TV drama, but no emotions tied to the cards. Plus in reading so many of their books, blogs etc. what makes the WSOP so great is the EXACT opposite of PAD. Huge fields of fish versus 6 sharks, WINNER TAKE ALL?!?!?! Seriously?! Who would get in this game repeatedly without a greater respect for the winners. Hansen has 3 WPT titles, Doyle, Chan and Helmuth are sick with their 31 WSOP bracelets, but if PAD is legit, from top to bottom, I am more impressed with these winners ESPECIALLY at super tough tables. Not to beat this horse more, but how many times have you heard pros talk about what a bad table they drew at this tournament or the next, those are, with exception for the big HORSE tourney, for much less than the $20,000 or $50,000 required for PAD. AND THIS IS WINNER TAKE ALL, alledgedly.

I say HSP real, PAD questionable.

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Im sure its legit, but that being said....

1)Anyone who knows anything about show bussiness, sports, employment contracts etc knows there is certain things players (employees) can't say to participate. Im sure in the contract where they get their appearance fee there is a "can not disclose "x" details"... this would include saying the show is not real... If you say something the show can probably file suit for the apperance fee they offered.
2)"Cross-booking" - a player owns X% of another player. Theoretically if there was 10 players, and each player owned 10% of all other 10% the game could be 0 risk. Simply put, we dont know that it is real or fake, but rather that it may not be 100% as it appears.
3) The game may be -ev as it is surly not the easieast game in town... but since the players get an appearance fee the game may be breakeven, or even +ev for some... This factor ways in some, but i dont see how it would constitute the game being "fake"...

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first of all if everyone had 10% of everyone it would just reduce the stakes by 10%... There would be no "zero risk".

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Wrong.

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[x]Scotty Nguyen feels important in Tulsa, OK
[ ]Scotty Nguyen has a clue

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Im sure its legit, but that being said....

1)Anyone who knows anything about show bussiness, sports, employment contracts etc knows there is certain things players (employees) can't say to participate. Im sure in the contract where they get their appearance fee there is a "can not disclose "x" details"... this would include saying the show is not real... If you say something the show can probably file suit for the apperance fee they offered.
2)"Cross-booking" - a player owns X% of another player. Theoretically if there was 10 players, and each player owned 10% of all other 10% the game could be 0 risk. Simply put, we dont know that it is real or fake, but rather that it may not be 100% as it appears.
3) The game may be -ev as it is surly not the easieast game in town... but since the players get an appearance fee the game may be breakeven, or even +ev for some... This factor ways in some, but i dont see how it would constitute the game being "fake"...

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first of all if everyone had 10% of everyone it would just reduce the stakes by 10%... There would be no "zero risk".

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Wrong.

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think about it and get back to me. or better yet do the math

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PAD is a $20,000 sng. it's mostly TV players and other such personalities on there. i doubt the partipants put up the full buy in.

HSP is deffo real imo. it's not like we saw someone lose $50 million and then question how they can afford that kind of money. just adding up tournament winnings can account for the money present for most of the players.