2\\4 Bet river or not?
 

I do not meet this villain before but his stats are 17\13 and oo\oo\o AF factir during 70 hands.

iPoker No-Limit Texas Hold'em (NL400), $4.00 BB (5 handed) SB ($396)
BB($432.5)
MP3 ($394)
CO ($591.7)
Hero($404)

SB: Post SB $2.00
BB: Post BB $4.00

Preflop:
Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>
<font color="#CC2222">Hero Raise $14</font>
<font color="#666666">1 folds</font>
BB Call $10

Flop:($30) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]<font color="#0030DD">(2 players)</font>
BB Check
<font color="#CC2222">Hero Bet $20</font>
<font color="#CC2222">BB Raise $60</font>
Hero Call $40

Turn:($150) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]<font color="#0030DD">(2 players)</font>
BB Check
Hero Check

River:($150) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]<font color="#0030DD">(2 players)</font>
BB Check
Hero ???

Re: 2\\4 Bet river or not?
 

i usually check without history

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check

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I fail to see how we are behind here on the river. why not do a thin value bet?

Re: 2\\4 Bet river or not?
 

bet small/call raise. $40-50

Re: 2\\4 Bet river or not?
 

bet 90

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I fail to see how we are behind here on the river. why not do a thin value bet?

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i guess you could do a smallish bet but his stats and AF lead me to believe his range is pretty polarized between air and hands that have us slightly beat

Re: 2\\4 Bet river or not?
 

If you do make the value bet, which looks ok, I would not call a raise.

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If you do make the value bet, which looks ok, I would not call a raise.

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the whole point of is villain checks a strong hand to us on the river close to never, we are usually ahead but he rarely has a strong enough hand to call a big bet, but we can induce a bluff by betting something retarded like 1/4 or 1/3 pot.

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I doubt hes bluffraising a bet of like $50, maybe if we bet something like $100.

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If you do make the value bet, which looks ok, I would not call a raise.

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the whole point of is villain checks a strong hand to us on the river close to never, we are usually ahead but he rarely has a strong enough hand to call a big bet, but we can induce a bluff by betting something retarded like 1/4 or 1/3 pot.

[/ QUOTE ]VS. a relatively unknown i bet the river for value, to get weaker J to call, and I bet a little more then 1/2 pot. Now if there was history with this villian I might see that, but I just don't think we know enough about him.

Re: 2\\4 Bet river or not?
 

value bet please this is a standard c/r from the BB trying to keep your button play honest. if he raises it's a fold.

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value bet please this is a standard c/r from the BB trying to keep your button play honest. if he raises it's a fold.

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why the fk are we bet/folding if we put him on air?

Re: 2\\4 Bet river or not?
 

fionn,

"the whole point of is villain checks a strong hand to us on the river close to never, we are usually ahead but he rarely has a strong enough hand to call a big bet, but we can induce a bluff by betting something retarded like 1/4 or 1/3 pot."


this is perfect in theory, yet against an unknown i think if you call here you will not be happy. you've got to at least expect that the guy could pull the trigger. and a ton of people will never c/r bluff here.

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value bet please this is a standard c/r from the BB trying to keep your button play honest. if he raises it's a fold.

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why the fk are we bet/folding if we put him on air?

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JT, TT, A9, K9, 9T are all hands that might consider paying us off because as played they are slightly underrepped and this could induce bluffs from the OP who could be floating with something like KQ drawing with 78 or just making a move using position. It is pretty thin but I dont see many villains c/r and then shutdown with a good hand hoping their opponent will bet.

Re: 2\\4 Bet river or not?
 

lol, bet.