should I fold this KK preflop 100bb
 

UTG is 17/12 through 200ish hands
SB is 21/15 though 500ish hands

Both seem to play a tagish game, although UTG seems very unimaginative and SB seems to have more tricks up his sleeve, meaning I've seen him raise the flop in position with both a draw and a set.

Effective stacks of 100bb.

.25/.5 NL 6max

UTG raises $2. Hero make it $7 from the button with KK. SB lets his timer run about half way down and pushes(i know he plays multi-tables though so whatever). UTG lets his timer run down about half way and calls. Does hero ever fold this? If you say insta-call, at what size effective stacks does this call become a fold?

What about AK?
What about QQ?

Re: should I fold this KK preflop 100bb
 

Didnt read post, just title and the answer is NO.

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Didnt read post, just title and the answer is NO.

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Re: should I fold this KK preflop 100bb
 

With this lines it is impossible to put any of the villains on AA, although SB's line is pretty strong. But as range prob is QQ+/AK+ i would never fold here and my money goes in.

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Didnt read post, just title and the answer is NO.

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i guess i can get my post count up too if i do this all the time

Re: should I fold this KK preflop 100bb
 

I can't think of one single reason why you'd ever want to fold KK preflop in a cash game. Easy insta-call, you have equity vs both villians' ranges.

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When this has been discussed about 1000000000000 times, then you get a simple answer. Oh and I see you give some quality responses as well by quoting mine and discussing. Next time try the search button.

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I can't think of one single reason why you'd ever want to fold KK preflop in a cash game. Easy insta-call, you have equity vs both villians' ranges.

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$1 blinds
SB goes all in for 1 meeeiiillllllliiiooonnnn dollers. Your in the bb. There, I gave you a reason

Re: should I fold this KK preflop 100bb
 

Im serious, use the search button if you dont want to believe the advice we have given. I dont care if he had AA this time or not, over time you will show a profit. If villain ever does this with AK or QQ then this becomes an insta call and thats a pretty tight range. Throw JJ in there and you can double fist pump while calling.

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When this has been discussed about 1000000000000 times, then you get a simple answer. Oh and I see you give some quality responses as well by quoting mine and discussing. Next time try the search button.

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btw I was the SB in this hand. And nobody has addressed what button should do with QQ/AK

Re: should I fold this KK preflop 100bb
 

you guys should actualy check the hand out before flaming him. Its not like the standard ones - he has 2 people all in in front of him.

However...I still cant fold here.

Re: should I fold this KK preflop 100bb
 

It is still standard two people all in or not. And after my first post I made sure to check it before giving my next one. Like I said before, if this is EVER JJ-QQ and/or AK from villains then this is a snap call. Whyzze if this isnt standard then why are you still not able to find a fold? Villains seem fairly taggish so its not like theyre maniacs. The answer is equity, you get it all in here because of the equity of your range vs their ranges, but like I said, this has been discussed a million times already. Make it 4 all ins in front of me and then we can talk about whether or not shoving is correct.

Re: should I fold this KK preflop 100bb
 

Not enough information to fold KK. Fold everything else.

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BTW I'm pretty positive a fair range for UTG is exactly QQ/KK/AA. Fair SB range is prolly something like QQ/KK/AA/AK maybe JJ.

Re: should I fold this KK preflop 100bb
 

im saying its not like the 100000000 other threads you stated and there is some validity to his question. Its closer than you are making it to be and I shove alot of crap preflop.

he doesn't deserve to be flamed for this....its not bad and its not incredibly standard either.

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Not enough information to fold KK. Fold everything else.

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how deep do you get before considering folding?

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how deep do you get before considering folding?

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it depends.

how is the table playing - how likely are we to make even more $ in the future - say we are playing with a table of tags and a lagtard - lag has 600bb we have 350bb - and the two guys pushing all in here are TAGs both with deep stacks and I think that I can bust the lag much easier if I protect my stack this hand and fold what is highly likely a +EV spot now to try and get into better spots shortly afterwards with maniac lagtard - THEN I think about folding.

with 100bb never (well ok only if I misclick) - it's quite possible that both these guys have AK and have 2 whole outs between them effectively.

200bb - very rarely

300bb it's more a case of now how big is your edge vs the villains and how likely are you to win in the medium term if you fold I think - with stacks this deep it's kind of difficult to get 300bb all-in preflop