Is this too spewy?
 

Villain has taggish stats but i havent been at the table very long so i dunno too much about him. What kind of hand raises this flop so big? Doesnt his line look very bluffy - plus, my line is either a 7 or pure air IMO, still though - spew?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $110.90
BB: $63
UTG: $104.50
Hero (BTN): $99.50

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, SB calls $3, BB folds

Flop: ($8) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $5</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $20</font>, Hero calls $15

Turn: ($48) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $26</font>

Re: Is this too spewy?
 

It's not even a pot sized flop raise, and I would fold to it. I think your turn bet is going to be called a lot

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just fold flop, also your bet screams fos.

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just fold flop, also your bet screams fos.

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I would def bet this much with a seven here but i sorta regret not having bet 30 or something, plus, my hand is either a seven or a float IMO. Do u guys think he raises 5 to 20 on this flop with a strong hand - (his AF was 3.1) - i guess i just didnt believe it but thats y i posted this, to c if u guys believe his flop raise and since u seem to, i guess it was spew.

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you shouldn't bet 26 if you had a 7 here.

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flop call is pretty bad. so what if he's bluffing, u got king high yo

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flop call is pretty bad. so what if he's bluffing, u got king high yo

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it was a float

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you shouldn't bet 26 if you had a 7 here.

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just curious, why?

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you shouldn't bet 26 if you had a 7 here.

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y? pretty dry board, i wanna protect my floats and there arent many hands that continue to too much action that i have beat - obv if i had a read that player suspects bluffs on scary boards or something id def rep a bluff and keep betting large.

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ew

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iiiilll groooss. And i think i have FPS sometimes.

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iiiilll groooss. And i think i have FPS sometimes.

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alright, so u guys def believe his pretty big raise on this flop right? (not being sarcastic)

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when he does this raise, you shouldnt wonder what he has or not in this spot. You should just think are there any other easier ways to take his money? most of the time there is. If not you should prolly stay out of most big pots with this guy.

works great, wins me alot of money.

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when he does this raise, you shouldnt wonder what he has or not in this spot. You should just think are there any other easier ways to take his money? most of the time there is. If not you should prolly stay out of most big pots with this guy.

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i dont think this kind of thinking is optimal, a play should only be made if it is +EV, this isnt a tournament where I have to pick spots with the biggest edge, if i think its the right play (im not saying it is) then i should always do it.

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No i dont mean in every spot, but in these tricky spots. I used to do this too much too, and thinking like that helped me not to do it. Unless you got a really realy good read on the guy and your gut says hes full of [censored] or something you can 4bet him or whatever. But playing it like this is just far from optimal, especially at 100NL. You can still get like 7ptbb/100 if you dont make these plays with K high.

Im drawing this out too long, but to make it clear, this guy plays 100NL. Most 100NL players have leaks, you should find those and exploit it, so you dont have to make these super tricky moves with K high.

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problem is that even if he's bluffing he's firing the turn a lot so ur gonna have to shove over a turn bet most of the time which is obviously massive spew. i fold the flop here always but since you called you have to bet when he checks. I play an overpair this way very frequently.

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yes, this is too spewy..

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lolol, i started reading from the bottom and thought "there's no way the hand could be that bad." this is terrible. he's calling you with any hand he c/r'd with.

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wow flop is complete s[pew

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I'm usually pretty spewy and even I think this is spewy.

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The call on the flop just doesn't do it for me. I don't see a naked 7 sticking around to catch here, you'd have made on the flop. When he pushes back on that flop, I'm going to chaulk this one up as a failed cbet and be done with it there.

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fold flop yo

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i hope this guy can't read hands.

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you check back the turn w/ ur overpairs then i assume?

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you check back the turn w/ ur overpairs then i assume?

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I do, unless I think villain is a total spewtard that'd be check/raising with any pair and then c/c'ing the turn.

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If his reraise is a bluf, this still isn't the board to float/raise him on.

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I have a general comment on the "if I had a 7 that's how I'd play" type of bluff.

If you had a 7, you'd bet hoping it would be called by a weaker hand, right? And you know you won't be called by air, and usually, not raised by air.

I believe, if you represent a wide range of hands that beat your opponent (like, if you have a set, a 7, an overpair, two pair, you could play like that) then bluffs are better than the situations where you would value bet one hand, and usually c/c others.

I think if your opponent beats an overpair (which he usually does), you usually can't make it fold. Which makes this bluff a bad bluff, imho.