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DMoogle 11-08-2007 06:56 PM

Overpair on low flop 150BBs deep HU vs. shipurstack
 
Fish just sat out and this is my second hand with him (planning to leave after this hand). In the first hand, he raised PF, I called, then I check/folded to a CBet on a 9s-J-Ks flop. In a 6-max game I have him running at 28%/22% over a couple thousand hands.

He strikes me as the type of player who would want to establish himself as the aggressor in the beginning of a HU match. But, as I've never played him HU before, I don't know for sure.



Full Tilt Poker, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (SB): $1,561.60
BB: $1,759.50

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $30</font>, BB calls $20

Flop: ($60) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $44</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $132</font>, BB calls $88

Turn: ($324) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [ 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $250</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $1,597.50 and is All-In</font>, Hero...

DMoogle 11-08-2007 11:25 PM

Re: Overpair on low flop 150BBs deep HU vs. shipurstack
 
Hero... bumps?

ArturiusX 11-08-2007 11:31 PM

Re: Overpair on low flop 150BBs deep HU vs. shipurstack
 
Pretty easy fold for me.

rand 11-08-2007 11:33 PM

Re: Overpair on low flop 150BBs deep HU vs. shipurstack
 
hm id say fold unless you have a good read, which it doesnt sound like you do

didnt see who villain was, just that you called him a fish...
this being shipurstack actually swings this to a call for me but it is close

d2themfi 11-08-2007 11:46 PM

Re: Overpair on low flop 150BBs deep HU vs. shipurstack
 
man i havent played vs him, but from others descriptions of him on this forum, I thought this would be a happy call

Paul B. 11-08-2007 11:57 PM

Re: Overpair on low flop 150BBs deep HU vs. shipurstack
 
Pretty interesting hand. I'm not too crazy about your line but I think a call is in order.

DMoogle 11-09-2007 12:10 AM

Re: Overpair on low flop 150BBs deep HU vs. shipurstack
 
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didnt see who villain was, just that you called him a fish...
this being shipurstack actually swings this to a call for me but it is close

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I didn't mean to call him a fish, I suppose I worded my OP poorly. I meant to say A fish (not shipurstack) just sat out, which is why I'm playing HU against shipurstack.
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Pretty interesting hand. I'm not too crazy about your line but I think a call is in order.

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Then what's a better line?

rand 11-09-2007 12:11 AM

Re: Overpair on low flop 150BBs deep HU vs. shipurstack
 
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didnt see who villain was, just that you called him a fish...
this being shipurstack actually swings this to a call for me but it is close

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I didn't mean to call him a fish, I suppose I worded my OP poorly. I meant to say A fish (not shipurstack) just sat out, which is why I'm playing HU against shipurstack.
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Pretty interesting hand. I'm not too crazy about your line but I think a call is in order.

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Then what's a better line?

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i dont think there is too much value in your flop raise, i think i prefer a call down

d2themfi 11-09-2007 12:13 AM

Re: Overpair on low flop 150BBs deep HU vs. shipurstack
 
what, no value in flop raise? he isnt calling with flush draws 8's small PP's, straight draws etc?

I think this line is good as long as you called

MatthewRyan 11-09-2007 12:16 AM

Re: Overpair on low flop 150BBs deep HU vs. shipurstack
 
flop: im raising and willing to get all in, happily

I think the turn is a fold

rand 11-09-2007 12:19 AM

Re: Overpair on low flop 150BBs deep HU vs. shipurstack
 
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what, no value in flop raise? he isnt calling with flush draws 8's small PP's, straight draws etc?

I think this line is good as long as you called

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no he is, but hes prolly done with his bluffs and our hand cant take alot of heat... i think ship will DB donk bluff more often then he will call with worse on the turn

i think our hand is kind of face up and if he thinks you will call fold, fold call...u know the drill

MatthewRyan 11-09-2007 12:26 AM

Re: Overpair on low flop 150BBs deep HU vs. shipurstack
 
If i had to guess id say villian has a set, or 5xcc

shipurstack 11-09-2007 12:28 AM

Re: Overpair on low flop 150BBs deep HU vs. shipurstack
 
i would call me here

Unknown Soldier 11-09-2007 12:29 AM

Re: Overpair on low flop 150BBs deep HU vs. shipurstack
 
i dont think you can fold a 5 turn

dd323 11-09-2007 01:20 AM

Re: Overpair on low flop 150BBs deep HU vs. shipurstack
 
people really fold here?

I would insta-call yelling "I TRAPPED YOU BIAATCH" while trying not to spludge all over my monitor..

d2themfi 11-09-2007 01:33 AM

Re: Overpair on low flop 150BBs deep HU vs. shipurstack
 
I dont think I would ever fold this when he can be semi bluffing with a ton of combinations of hands. Mean while there are relatively few made hands that have us crushed

annex21 11-09-2007 01:52 AM

Re: Overpair on low flop 150BBs deep HU vs. shipurstack
 
i dont see the 5 hitting him unless he has A4cc or 46cc, he might have slowplayed a set but for the second hand HU that's giving him a lot of credit. If he runs 28/22 im assuming he's aggressive, if his AF is 3+ im probably looking him up, looks like a big combo draw and the only legit 2pair out there is 85s. If his AF is 2 or less i'd fold.

HU is pretty player dependent esp in spots like this so without a read use your PT stats and AF is pretty important here in determining if he is capable of CRAI a big draw.


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