100NL; QcTd; 4 club board faces pot size bet on river
 

Villian is 35.7/9.7/1.45 postflop agg. over 227 hands


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($102.25)
Hero ($100)
SB ($46.05)
BB ($117.80)
UTG ($100)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6</font>, BB calls $6.

Turn: ($20.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($20.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $21</font>, Hero ???

Re: 100NL; QcTd; 4 club board faces pot size bet on river
 

call at the very min, i also wouldnt mind raising sometimes.

Re: 100NL; QcTd; 4 club board faces pot size bet on river
 

meh, this is pretty close, flip a coin i guess..

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i also wouldnt mind raising sometimes.

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why would you ever raise here?

Re: 100NL; QcTd; 4 club board faces pot size bet on river
 

why raise?

Re: 100NL; QcTd; 4 club board faces pot size bet on river
 

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call at the very min, i also wouldnt mind raising sometimes.

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You think a straight, a set, or the 8c could call a raise here? And would have bet pot in the first place?


I don't really get raising here.

Re: 100NL; QcTd; 4 club board faces pot size bet on river
 

value vs. a retard? its not like i'm expecting him to fold...

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value vs. a retard? its not like i'm expecting him to fold...

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well he is 35/9 not 70/5. I dotn see much value in the river raise.

Re: 100NL; QcTd; 4 club board faces pot size bet on river
 

even against a retard, raising in this spot is a bluff

Re: 100NL; QcTd; 4 club board faces pot size bet on river
 

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even against a retard, raising in this spot is a bluff

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a bluff means they fold better, they never do, so its not a bluff

Re: 100NL; QcTd; 4 club board faces pot size bet on river
 

no, a successful bluff means they fold better. i'm pretty sure he calls with worse very very close to 0% of the time unless he's on massive tilt. if they never call with worse, and you raise, what do you want them to do? fold, i imagine..so if you're raising to get someone to fold, i'd call that a bluff.

Re: 100NL; QcTd; 4 club board faces pot size bet on river
 

okay, call 100% of the time then. the thought that you guys dont even consider raising for value at times here is laughable.

Re: 100NL; QcTd; 4 club board faces pot size bet on river
 

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okay, call 100% of the time then. the thought that you guys dont even consider raising for value at times here is laughable.

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it's not laughable at all.

in your opinion, when we raise, how often does he:

fold better
fold worse
call/raise better
call/raise worse

and if he happens to 3bet the river, do you ever call?

Re: 100NL; QcTd; 4 club board faces pot size bet on river
 

Interest in Thoughts on betting turn?

Re: 100NL; QcTd; 4 club board faces pot size bet on river
 

Villan's river bet looks like a steal to me. You both check the turn so he sees you as weak and is betting with a weak club, or maybe some pair that gives him the balls to semi-bluff you. I think a min raise is in order and the only way you're beat is if he flat called up front with Ax[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or maybe Kc10.