$16 mucking QQ first hand
 

Hey. Villain is unknown. Raise utg/shove over my re-raise looks pretty damn strong. Can I fold here?

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Preflop: Hero is in MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="red">UTG raises to t100</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t300</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, BB calls t280, <font color="red">UTG raises to t1500 (All-in)</font>, <font color="gray">Hero ???

Re: $16 mucking QQ first hand
 

Against an unknown you have to get it in here. You've already committed 20% of your stack after the 3bet.

Re: $16 mucking QQ first hand
 

Against an unknown i think you are pot-committed although not necessarily ahead.

About 2100 in the pot already, and 1200 for you to call. I think your equity here is enough to call with these odds.

Re: $16 mucking QQ first hand
 

I call here and I'm very happy about it.

Re: $16 mucking QQ first hand
 

First hand vs. unknown? No.

Re: $16 mucking QQ first hand
 

ok replace villain with a good 2+2er, what then?

Re: $16 mucking QQ first hand
 

A good 2p2er is much closer. He likely knows you are a tight player, and that you are not reraising light here at all. I don't know your exact reraising range, but maybe its like JJ-AA and AK, and he still popped you all in. His range is essentially QQ-AA and AK.

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Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.207% 38.35% 01.86% 19042240 923339.00 { QhQs }
Hand 1: 59.793% 57.93% 01.86% 28767898 923339.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

With pot odds we would still call here, but i think he might flat call you with AK a certain % of the time (he knows you are reraising tight), and i think this is a fold. His range is probably QQ-AA and AK, but with the AK underrepresented. I think this is a fold.

Re: $16 mucking QQ first hand
 

Why 3-bet if you're not going to call a shove?

When I'm not sure if I want to play for my whole stack vs. UTG raiser I flat call and see what he does with his betting.

Re: $16 mucking QQ first hand
 

ITs super fast call.

If it had been another person with no chips in the hand that you knew was SUPER tight level one i would at least think about it.

AS it was raiser that pushed its instant call.

(edit) ive seen countless times a tight player pop often with AK here in that situation and your 16 tabling 16s for gods sake [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] gamboool

Re: $16 mucking QQ first hand
 

lol I was actually only 9 tabling (was kinda tired and didn't want to overexert myself by playing 12)...

I am thinking an avg player's reshove range here is like AQs (maybe since BB flatted he shoves wider than normal), AK, JJ+. Maybe I overthought this one b/c a few days ago there was a post about mucking QQ early.

JJ is a fold in this spot if re-raised to 300 pre?

Re: $16 mucking QQ first hand
 

I am currently 15-tabling and this may seem very controversial, but I tend to play QQ weak and conservative during the first levels.
I would probably even not 3bet in this spot either - 1. because it's an unknown UTG raiser and 2. because I have to much confidence in my late stage-play to get myself in to trouble early on w/ a big percentage of my stack.

QQ and JJ is technically probably just about the same hand for me in the two first levels.

Re: $16 mucking QQ first hand
 

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I am currently 15-tabling and this may seem very controversial, but I tend to play QQ weak and conservative during the first levels.
I would probably even not 3bet in this spot either - 1. because it's an unknown UTG raiser and 2. because I have to much confidence in my late stage-play to get myself in to trouble early on w/ a big percentage of my stack.

QQ and JJ is technically probably just about the same hand for me in the two first levels.

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You are likely missing out on a lot of value with both. You could probably also get more out of TT and AQ.

Re: $16 mucking QQ first hand
 

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I am currently 15-tabling and this may seem very controversial, but I tend to play QQ weak and conservative during the first levels.
I would probably even not 3bet in this spot either - 1. because it's an unknown UTG raiser and 2. because I have to much confidence in my late stage-play to get myself in to trouble early on w/ a big percentage of my stack.

QQ and JJ is technically probably just about the same hand for me in the two first levels.

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You are likely missing out on a lot of value with both. You could probably also get more out of TT and AQ.

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I agree on QQ, but considering JJ I'm really not that sure. Very early I almost always play JJ for setvalue and in position/small pots. Call me weak but I really think that's the right play. Of course I pick my spots now and then, but in 8 out 10 situations I'm potcontrolling to the maximum. Constantly awkward spots in the 10/20-level is a big leak, except if you're a surgeon.

Re: $16 mucking QQ first hand
 

I can't see putting in 300 with the intent to fold to a shove in any situation really, and in this spot I call always vs an unknown but I'm not overly excited.

Re: $16 mucking QQ first hand
 

Only yesterday over 18 Sng I saw this exact same move on the first 3 hands by unknwon. Once it was with A4o, the 2nd time wiath 55.

Call so fast !

Against a 2+2er, I just call pf.

Re: $16 mucking QQ first hand
 

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First hand vs. unknown? No.

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and vs a 2p2er id probably just call pf

Re: $16 mucking QQ first hand
 

Let's look at the evidence.

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$16

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Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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Villian is unknown

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first hand

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Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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Can I fold here?

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Are you frickin' kidding me?

Re: $16 mucking QQ first hand
 

Instacall vs unknown.
As played, fold vs strong regular.
But...good players don't usually open for 100 here.
Oh, and yeah, don't threebet the strong players, like somebody said.