50/100 Foxwoods JJ
 

foxwoods 50/100.. game is decent.. a few weak tight nits and two solid players, but this hand is against a guy who generally plays bad, but can be spazzy when he tilts and overplay his hands blaming most of it on coolers etc.

he raises UTG+1, i 3-town JJ, we take the flop HU.

flop 8,9, 3 rainbow he bets, i raise, he 3- bets i call.

turn 9 he bets, i raise he calls

river A, he hesitates and checks.. i bet for value and he calls and mucks when i say my hand

wondering how many of you check this river.. or any other comments/suggestions... pretty straightfoward otherwise.

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I bet that all day

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Twice if it's a Thursday

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I bet that all day

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I usually call the turn as I feel like it gets the most money from the right spots.

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You got more value than I would have.

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You got more value than I would have.

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I usually call the turn as I feel like it gets the most money from the right spots.

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Allowing him to bluff again on the river? If so, what rivers do you raise and which ones do you call?

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You got more value than I would have.

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i just call that turn

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i like the way you played the hand. you got one more big bet than i would have, but if youre raising that turn i think you should fold to a 3 bet.

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why did you raise that turn?

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why did you raise that turn?

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Against the player described:
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this hand is against a guy who generally plays bad, but can be spazzy when he tilts and overplay his hands blaming most of it on coolers etc.

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I think that the turn raise is a fine value raise. Most people will go for the check/raise here with turned trips. JJ is well ahead of Villain's range.

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why did you raise that turn?

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i cant see not raising the turn, im surprised u and bicylekick said call.

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why did you raise that turn?

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i cant see not raising the turn, im surprised u and bicylekick said call.

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i suppose against a stone idiot it is a raise, because he is not clever enough to 3bet here knowing that you don't have a 9 in your hand, and thus cannot outplay you. that said, if i'm gonna raise here, it's on the river. if he does indeed have a 9, i want to see that river card and give myself a chance to bang a jack.

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What is his range after the turn action?

Bob and BK, are you guys betting river as well as played?

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What is his range after the turn action?

Bob and BK, are you guys betting river as well as played?

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hell yeah. we'd have heard about a 9 i think.

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My analysis of the hand:
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he raises UTG+1, i 3-town JJ, we take the flop HU.


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He has some sort of a hand, however his range is probably still huge given the read. I would say QJ+, KJ+, 56s+, 22+, Axs, possibly A8+.

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flop 8,9, 3 rainbow he bets, i raise, he 3- bets i call.


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When he bets I put him on a pair or a draw. When he 3bets I think he doesn't want me to have a free card on the turn so he keeps betting. His range is now 44+, 9x, 8x, 3x but he raised pf so it's more tilted towards pocket pairs, A9, Ax suited (x=9, 8 or 3), 78s, 89s, 34s, 9Ts, 98s...

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turn 9 he bets, i raise he calls

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As an aside, I now see why people don't raise this turn. If my range is correct, he's either go us jacked with three 9s, an over pair, or he's drawing to 2 outs (or 5 outs if he a pair and an over card). So it's likely a WA/WB.

Once we raise this turn and he just calls it is very unlikely that he has a 9. Either we just froze his over pair or he he is drawing really thin. His range 44+ (probably excluding TT+ because he overplays his hands), Ax suited (x=8 or 3), 78s, 34s, but mostly pocket pairs I would think.

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river A, he hesitates and checks.. i bet for value and he calls and mucks when i say my hand

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So I certainly would have raised the turn and bet this river before doing this analysis, but I think it's now closer than I realized. However I'm still leaning towards pp calling down so I bet and hope.

For those that do just call the turn, what rivers are you raising?

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live players at foxwoods like to donk the turn with j-10 alot in this spot, or some draw/crap, id raise the turn and bet basically any river.

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live players at foxwoods like to donk the turn with j-10 alot in this spot, or some draw/crap, id raise the turn and bet basically any river.

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Do you play the flop the same? I'd much prefer to 4-bet the flop as a way to insure the appropriate action goes in for this hand.

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live players at foxwoods like to donk the turn with j-10 alot in this spot, or some draw/crap, id raise the turn and bet basically any river.

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Do you play the flop the same? I'd much prefer to 4-bet the flop as a way to insure the appropriate action goes in for this hand.

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Hobie, how u been? id 4 bet the flop bet also. good luk out in cali we'll be at Commerce from 7th - 16th of Dec.

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thanks for all the input guys.. he ended up telling me he had 77

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river i s amust bet
his style doesnt check river here with anything that beats u
bet if u get raised oh well. You extract a extra bet more time here then you lose a bet so bet it I guess

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yeah what mrp said

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i like the way you played the hand. you got one more big bet than i would have, but if youre raising that turn i think you should fold to a 3 bet.

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"generally plays bad, but can be spazzy when he tilts and overplay his hands blaming most of it on coolers etc."

Dear Sideburns:

since I believe I was the opponent in this hand I'd love to know what a "cooler" is.

and if you can decipher what "can be spazzy when he tilts" means that would be just great, as I'm having a hard time picturing someone not "spazzy" when he tilts.


Thanks.

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You two should play heads up and then have a fistfight afterwards to settle this dispute. Better yet maybe it should be 3 person tournament...

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Imagine if hero was Pokerbob! :O

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Imagine if hero was Pokerbob! :O

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lol this thread would be 15 pages full of BS by now if that were the case

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"generally plays bad, but can be spazzy when he tilts and overplay his hands blaming most of it on coolers etc."

Dear Sideburns:

since I believe I was the opponent in this hand I'd love to know what a "cooler" is.

and if you can decipher what "can be spazzy when he tilts" means that would be just great, as I'm having a hard time picturing someone not "spazzy" when he tilts.


Thanks.

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i find it hilarious that you sound like you're a little steamy in your response to my thread