CTS did something like this in his video
 

I would normally check this but he tried to explain it's +ev to shove here.

FLOP CALL WAS A MISCLICK

22/17/5- I figured his rr range is wide enough that he can fold here

1/2

SB ($303.35)
BB ($400)
UTG ($400)
MP ($401)
CO ($143.05)
Hero ($229.90)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
MP calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $34</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $24.

Flop: ($72) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $50</font>, Hero calls $50.

Turn: ($172) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $145.9 (All-In)</font>

Re: CTS did something like this in his video
 

wow, it's hard to see too many overpairs folding here

edit: also, lol, misclick??

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FLOP CALL WAS A MISCLICK

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liar lol, its never a misclick, its just want you want to ignore. you can do worse tho.

as for the push.... i guess. most players at this level won't realize that you are repping pretty much 1 hand (AJ) and fold KK

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you're not cts.

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if he's any good his calling range is pretty wide.

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but turn push is fine.

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you're not cts.

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lol

so????

I dunno exactly what OP is refering to, but why would it work for CTS and not OP?

I mean if you have enough F/E in the shove to make up for calling and losing then its obv a good play. And like we are quite live if called...

Also, for most people I do not think this is a snap call with an underpair.

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cts also 4bet shoves k4

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yea comparing the games cts plays in to ssnl is..not so good

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On the other hand cts also said that he doesn't change his playing style much at the lower levels.

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and it wasnt really the same situation CTS used to shove with. but its not a bad shove here.

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can someone post the cts hand?

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yes but cts is also a incredibly skilled postflop player who plays extremely well in thin spots, we dont.

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you're not cts.

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lol

so????

I dunno exactly what OP is refering to, but why would it work for CTS and not OP?

I mean if you have enough F/E in the shove to make up for calling and losing then its obv a good play. And like we are quite live if called...

Also, for most people I do not think this is a snap call with an underpair.

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pushing turn is fine like i said. but trying to play like cts at this level is probably spew.

however, betting turn is fine given stack sizes but i'd check behind if we were alot deepeer.

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looks fine to me (not sure if thats good or not tho :P)

also, y ou were begging for it with the title of this post. shouldve just said "float in rr pot picks up outs", then everyone would be like "oh...std, etc".

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Completely opponent specific.

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villain would probably bet this turn if he had air

if he cant read hands i guess its alright

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probably ok with your equity.

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def not sure how that ace is supposed to help your hand. he can narrow your range to like maaaaybe AJ and a set.

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CTS' hand went something like: raise, opponent 3bet, he make tiny tiny 4bet with 65o, cbet halfpot~ on 7AK 2 diamond flop, push for close to 2/3 pot on 8x turn.

In the hand above, does anyone like checking the turn back and then either checking behind (if we pair up), valueshove (if we spike) or bluffshove (if we miss)?

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CTS 3bet 65o, he bet the AK8 flop in position and shoved the 7 turn, saying the guy (krantz actually) folds often enough to make it plus ev, and he had like 18% equity when called.

In my hand (like in CTS) we figure to get called a lot and have a draw in a spot where taking the free card makes some sense. But w/ the flushdraw, gutter and maybe a live overcard if he calls w/ QJ or something, I have pretty good equity, and he argued that combined w/ fold equity (i've got to think i have some on this A turn) shove&gt;checking

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you're not cts.

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lol

so????

I dunno exactly what OP is refering to, but why would it work for CTS and not OP?

I mean if you have enough F/E in the shove to make up for calling and losing then its obv a good play. And like we are quite live if called...

Also, for most people I do not think this is a snap call with an underpair.

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I think you are not cts kinda means, since you are not him, you can't really determine whether or not it is +ev to shove.

I must also add that I really don't like everyone going "playing my first orbit, he is 52/15/6 over 80 hands" instead of "I don't usually pay attention". And "it was a misclick" instead of "I was bored of getting pushed around so I decided to call and couldn't give up on the pot". Or "pf raise was a misclick" instead of "I want badly to be called with my AA".

Not that I am sure it is not a misclick. But people misclick a lot more often in the hands posted here than I see on the tables.

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People do float AK from time to time guys, even when they shouldn't. So if you are all instacalling with KK/QQ as villain you will see the pot shipped the other way fairly often when you add in sets and AJ.

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Like the CTS referenced hand, I think this could be a good example of a turn bet that needs a small fold% to be +ve ev given villians likely calling range and frequencies.

I say could be because you really need to know your opps cbet tendencies in raised pots and ideally you need to know how he views your preflop call (I alomost always fold here btw).

Readless, I would guess that 22/17 could well have 99+/AJ+/some suited connectors for his 3bet. Assuming he cbets most of the hopeless hands then your bet is a must.

If he always calls with a hand like QQ your move is slightly +ve ev (6bbs). With KK/AK you are only slightly -ve (10bbs).

So, if you think he's only 3betting with JJ+/AJ+ and always calling here then check. If you think he's a bit wider than that and/or may fold QQ/KK then push it.

If he does call then you've messed with his head for future hands as he now thinks you are an idiot and you should be able to adjust for this better than him since you know that you are not [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].

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I think a shove here can be pretty good, but it is a bit opponent specific; some players would fire again at that ace with air, some would just check/fold. That said, you have 12 squeaky clean outs here, which means (math hidden because typing it all out would suck) if he folds 33% of the time, this play is +EV, and against a 22/17's reraising range I think you can get him to fold at least that much. It's also possible that your king or queen outs may even be good, which would give you even better odds.

Now, just because a shove here is (probably) +EV, does that make it more +EV than checking behind and trying to hit something? I have no idea. But if you do get called, it will probably be great for your image.

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well i mean, once you get to the turn, ya shove. floating in rr-ed pots requires deeper stacks and a decent read.

also yeah, if he can hand read at all, he should snap you. the ace changed little.

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the hand in that cardrunners vid that cole played vs me is slightly similar to this but ultimately too dissimilar to really compare the two situations.

here, you have a 3-bet pot in a 6handed game - there, you had a 4-bet pot in a very aggressive HU match.

in this hand, you're probably getting called damn often. someone should do the math on the EV of the shove, but barring that, you floated the flop, now have over 10 outs and it's good for your image to splash around like this now and then.

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People do float AK from time to time guys, even when they shouldn't. So if you are all instacalling with KK/QQ as villain you will see the pot shipped the other way fairly often when you add in sets and AJ.

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With the amount of retards 3betting ATC from the blinds @ NL200, I'm fine with this.

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pf is fine/standard against light 3bettors.

this line is pretty good. shoving flop and folding are both viable options as well.

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this is much better and pretty standard if you were the pf 3 bettor and flop aggressor, as it is you should get called a lot unless he has complete air. But if the guy is any good he should have bet the turn with air so its not looking great.

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Rather shove flop than float, but ya, seeing as how you got here I think a shove is +EV.

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On the other hand cts also said that he doesn't change his playing style much at the lower levels.

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By lower levels he mean 1knl not 200nl. And a lot of his plays would be bad at ssnl.

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I also find that for some reason CTS opens 72s like theres a prop bet involved. Seriously, he never misses a chance to open it! Maybe OP can incorporate that too!