A6s
 

Ok, i feel somewhat lost with these kind of situations for some reason. I guess the biggest issue is that while im getting 5:1 pf, the fact that it's raised, makes it difficult to play if i hit an A, since people love raising with Ax hands and im often dominated. On the to other hand, if i had like K9s, i'd have more "clean" cards.

CO is about 20/10/2.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises ?!</font>, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Since he's last to act, he could be putting in just a standard cbet. All i know, he could have pocket 8s. I start looking for a bag to puke into when they both call.

Turn: (6.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero folds.

Re: A6s
 

I'd probably have played it the exact same way.

That turn card is godawful, making the flush AND straight draw far too likely...

Re: A6s
 

I'd play every street the same.

Even though I'm tempted to just check/fold the turn but maybe I'm being results biased here. Such a horrible card...

Re: A6s
 

Nice hand.

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I'd play it the same. I would also think about check/folding the turn but that's too weak so I bet/fold too.

Re: A6s
 

Do not fire this turn. Your flop play was good, and if your opponents are thinking they will put on ace you want to protect. I can't think of a hand that called the flop that didn't just hit 2pair/flush/straight/pair+draw. This is not results oriented, you are almost never good here.

Re: A6s
 

nice hand, and of course bet the turn. checking through such a drawheavy card would be awful.

Re: A6s
 

* grunch *

Preflop: With that tight a range for CO you are often dominated. Limper is going to give some overlay but I'd still probably muck this.

Flop: This is a very difficult flop for your hand. If we are ahead we might not be after the turn. I'd be more inclined to see if the turn is a safe card. So, check and call this flop.

You can't lose a single better hand here by raising and many draws will not fold. I really don't like the c/r. It could just isolate you vs a likely better Ace and you are OOP allowing him to play this perfectly from now on.

Turn: as played I guess leading out is ok and the fold the fold is a no-brainer me thinks. Just c/f wouldn't be terrible either IMO.

Re: A6s
 

* semi-grunch *

Pre-flop I'd fold like a shot. He only plays 20% and raises half of those, I'd think I was chasing a better hand with a suited ace-rag.

As played I would wince a little while raising and wince a lot when both call.

Re: A6s
 

to those who fold preflop: cant you guys recognize an iso raise when you see one?

this guy is a 20/10/2 - pretty classic TAG stats. a player who probably sucks has open limped in MP. the TAG is in LP - perfect to try and isolate, especially if he sees the blinds as nitty. he doesnt need a great hand to do this - probably any 2 broadway would suffice. you are getting 5.5:1 on your call. you have more than enough equity in the BB to call this raise pf.

Re: A6s
 

Kit - now that you put it that way I cannot but agree about preflop. I didn't stop to consider MP1's hand preflop (probably because there are no stats given for him - my bad all the same).

I'd still wait for a safe turn card to protect my hand. We are not too happy to see a 8,(9),T,J,(Q),K or [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on the turn. The pot is also smallish on the flop.

Re: A6s
 

I play it the same. Nice hand. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: A6s
 

Preflop: I see calling or folding as a matter of preference. As Kit points out you have the possiblity of an iso raise, you have equity; however, you are going to be playing an easily dominated hand out of position on 2 opponents.

Flop: I do not like the flop raise. It is not for protection as you are not getting MP1 to lay down any FD or OESD because the pot is inflated due to the PFR. Also, CO can pretty much call one additional bet with any hand he was raising with to isolate with on the flop. For example, if he has KQ, he is correct to call the flop raise to hit two pair or if he has K-10 he can correctly call for the gutshot. Only time there is real value is if MP1 folds and CO calls with a pocket pair (obviously not AA, QQ, or 99). I'd rather scarifice a little value on the flop, just call, and see if a non-scary turn card comes off.

T: Check this turn card as it is horrid for your hand, especially given MP1's cold call on the flop.

Re: A6s
 

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to those who fold preflop: cant you guys recognize an iso raise when you see one?

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I guess not.

I guess I don't raise that lightly so I don't expect to *be* raised that lightly. I guess I should change both of those things!

Re: A6s
 

[ QUOTE ]
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to those who fold preflop: cant you guys recognize an iso raise when you see one?

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I guess not.

I guess I don't raise that lightly so I don't expect to *be* raised that lightly. I guess I should change both of those things!

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I haven't found isolation raises to be particularly effective at our (nano) levels Hermann - it is so rare to go into a raised flop with fewer than 4 players that it is usually not worth raising without a raiseworthy hand. That can be changed a lot by relative position (i.e. the people after you are all fairly tight, and the limper is fairly loose). Yet another reason seat selection is so important.

That said, the hand is at a higher limit than I've been playing and iso raises might work better higher up.

As for the hand, I think I'd play it the same. TPNK against that board is too weak to go any further without a strong read on the villain.

Re: A6s
 

Huggs, none from three.

Preflop: You're getting 4:1, without thinking too much, I'm giving my hand at least it's 20% equity.

Flop: The number of AK-A7 hands he can have here is nothing compared to the KK-88, Kx, Qx and whatever other junk he could be raising there preflop. Being that he will c-bet this almost all the time, his bet doesn't define his hand and you are ahead more than you are behind.

If you call the flop bet, you are giving MP1 correct odds to call (correcly) with anything that has as few as 5 outs. i.e. any paired hand, and there are lots of them in his range. Not to mention the gutshots that can call (correcly) with implied odds.

If you raise the flop, MP1 needs more like 10 outs to call profitably and will make more incorrect calls with less than those outs.

I think the point is, on this flop, the pot is building and you want to do whatever you can to improve your chances of winning.

Turn: Someone already said, you can't let this get checked through.

Re: A6s
 

Looks standard, its a bad situation. I play every street the same way.

That was just about the worst turn card for you. Not much you could do about this one.

NH