nl50 flop nuts but don´t know...
 

hi again, i really like you helping me a bit with this one.

Big-villian is nothing special 20/17 af ca. 2,0

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($50.25)
Hero ($49.25)
BB ($47.05)
UTG ($53.15)
MP ($30.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $3</font>, UTG calls $3, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $9</font>, BB calls $6, UTG calls $6.

Turn: ($28.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $18</font>, BB calls $18, UTG folds.

River: ($64.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $64.50

hero does what? and are the other streets ok?

ps: comleting seems a little nitty but i was not in the right mood for raising there [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Re: nl50 flop nuts but don´t know...
 

i put SB on 9T, KT, K9. All other hands he could have on the flop, he's raising pf.

tough spot. any bet you make is an all-in, yet I doubt any hands are calling that you beat. i'm inclined to say c/f, but considering how little you have behind, I probably wouldn't give it up, so I just push and pray he has KT.

Re: nl50 flop nuts but don´t know...
 

Yeah, I would c/f here if it was deeper, but he has less than 1/3 pot left so just stick it in.

Re: nl50 flop nuts but don´t know...
 

ok i see river is tough, thank you very much.

but what about the other streets, are they ok?

Re: nl50 flop nuts but don´t know...
 

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...so I just push and pray he has KT.

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Villian isn't calling without a queen or boat. I c/c here. He might be inclined to value bet KT if you show weakness. I don't think I can let this go - too much chance you have the same hand or he caught you with KQ.

Re: nl50 flop nuts but don´t know...
 

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He might be inclined to value bet KT if you show weakness.

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no way is he v-betting KT in this spot, but he might call, hence I shove

Re: nl50 flop nuts but don´t know...
 

The river doesn't make you happy, but I think in this spot you can comfortably assume that neither of you are going to fold getting 4:1 (if the other bets) so it really doesn't matter whether you c/c or just put it in. BB's turn call looks very strong, he wants UTG to call, so I think that makes it less likely that he has 2 pair or a set, since he would normally want to encourage UTG to fold a draw (having called twice on the flop), so there is a good chance you may chop, and since you expect BB to raise AQ preflop most of the time you may even see 78 here.

Re: nl50 flop nuts but don´t know...
 

i love you guys thank you, for your quick good advise i will come up with many more hands in the future thanks alot!

Re: nl50 flop nuts but don´t know...
 

I changed my mind, if you assume he is never folding (reasonable, I think) then it's better to bet, since if you check he could check behind worse hands and bet better, which would cost you some EV. In reality this probably doesn't happen much, but from a game theoretic perspective betting should be closer to optimal if you assume both sides are not folding. (There's actually a one-full-street no-folds toy game considered in Mathematics of Poker that reaches this conclusion I believe.)

Re: nl50 flop nuts but don´t know...
 

your raises are too small.

your raise to $9 when there's 2 callers and already a $9 pot... too small. I'd raise to 11 or 12. If I thought they'd call, I might even push.

Then bet closer to pot on the turn.

Re: nl50 flop nuts but don´t know...
 

He could really have anything. I would probably assume he has Kx, x being anything other then A. Tough spot, but i would probably check/call and hope for KJ/K10. He may even be playing a 78 here.

Re: nl50 flop nuts but don´t know...
 

I don't think he's min-raising a pot-sized bet, then flat-calling a 4-bet, then calling a turn bet with a player behind him with "anything" on that board on the turn. If he's doing that with 2 pair even it's pretty bad, I think. That doesn't change much on the river of course.

I didn't notice the question about other streets before but I agree with Kurto that you should raise more on the flop and bet more on the turn. I'd even raise to as much as 15 on the flop, if they both call you can just shove the turn. With the interest both players have shown in the pot I'm not too worried about blowing them off their hands.

Re: nl50 flop nuts but don´t know...
 

i dont know much but isnt the flop just too good for me to risk anyone folding with betting more than 11$ (though i agree that i could´ve bet slightly more)

Re: nl50 flop nuts but don´t know...
 

You don't have any read on UTG, but with BB's stats I don't think he's min-raising that flop with someone to act behind except with a hand he wants to build a big pot with, so having the nuts I'd go ahead and accomodate him. I doubt he's folding as much as you think he is. UTG's range is similarly draws or 2 pair+ hands but it's unlikely a larger raise folds them both out, and it's also quite possible that if UTG does have a draw that he'll feel he has too good of odds to fold after BB calls.

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i dont know much but isnt the flop just too good for me to risk anyone folding with betting more than 11$ (though i agree that i could´ve bet slightly more)

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I used to sort of think this way, but the truth is if they will call 9 they will probably call a pot sized raise too, about 13.5 if my math is right. it also sets up an easy turn push.

Re: nl50 flop nuts but don´t know...
 

I would raise a bit more on the flop in order to make it easier to get your money in on the turn. With the stack sizes you should just try and get the money in quickly.