10/20 Big Fold vs. Daut69
 

6 handed, effective stacks of 2k. I open 2nd to act with KJo and raise to $70 and daut calls on the button, HU. There is no history between us. The flop is Ac Jc 6h, I check and he checks. The turn is a Jd, I lead out $135 and he raises to $450 and I call.

In retrospect I think I should 3 bet here, thoughts?

The river is Qh, I check and he bets $820 into the $1050 pot, and I folded.

Re: 10/20 Big Fold vs. Daut69
 

Do you think he 3 outed you on the river, is that why you folded?

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Doesn't look good. Daut is perfectly capable of tricky play here.

James

Re: 10/20 Big Fold vs. Daut69
 

He could have checked behind the flop with AJ or 66. Also it's probably a better play to call in his spot if he has weak trip jacks on the turn like JT or J9 (and those he could just fold preflop). For some reason I thought daut was a tight, almost nitty skilled player. But maybe my impression was wrong I just saw this

*** HOLE CARDS ***
luggy7 folds
Daut99 raises to $175
313OG folds
The Riparian raises to $550
Daut99 calls $375
*** FLOP *** [4d Kc Jc]
The Riparian has 15 seconds left to act
The Riparian bets $800
Daut99 calls $800
*** TURN *** [4d Kc Jc] [2s]
The Riparian checks
Daut99 bets $3,899, and is all in
The Riparian calls $3,899
Daut99 shows [5d 6d]
The Riparian shows [Kd 8h]
*** RIVER *** [4d Kc Jc 2s] [Ts]
Daut99 shows King Jack high
The Riparian shows a pair of Kings
The Riparian wins the pot ($10,521) with a pair of Kings
Daut99 adds $5,000
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10,523 | Rake $2
Board: [4d Kc Jc 2s Ts]
Seat 1: Grimstarr is sitting out
Seat 2: Daut99 (button) showed [5d 6d] and lost with King Jack high
Seat 3: 313OG (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: The Riparian (big blind) showed [Kd 8h] and won ($10,521) with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: applelover is sitting out
Seat 6: luggy7 didn't bet (folded) [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Re: 10/20 Big Fold vs. Daut69
 

If you bet that river, he instafolds. Still a great spot for 66 though. Also Daut is skilled, just not tight and nitty.

Re: 10/20 Big Fold vs. Daut69
 

I bet the flop as my default mostly. But checkin sometimes is ok, bet/call the turn is fine as well but there is no reason to fold the river.

Re: 10/20 Big Fold vs. Daut69
 

Part of the reason I folded the river, a big part is... I checked the flop, then be the turn. What changed on the turn?The board paired up jacks and that is when I choose to bet and call his raise. But he didnt seemt o have any problem betting again on the river with that informatoin...

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But he didnt seemt o have any problem betting again on the river with that informatoin...

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I might not have a problem either if you checked first.

Re: 10/20 Big Fold vs. Daut69
 

Given the way it was played I think I would call the river.

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Given the way it was played I think I would call the river.

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thanks for the insight bamboo idiot

Re: 10/20 Big Fold vs. Daut69
 

you have to call this river against just about anyone, much less a good player that can be tricky. after the way you played flop/turn, he puts you on a decent ace and if he has any respect for your game at all, he could be straight up bluffing you, value betting a weaker jack, or have missed a flush draw or something and just is trying to push you out.

tc

Re: 10/20 Big Fold vs. Daut69
 

taylor why do you think he puts me on an ace? i think its a lot more likely i have a jack

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taylor why do you think he puts me on an ace? i think its a lot more likely i have a jack

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1. people raise Ax more than Jx preflop

2. there are more combos of Ax then Jx on the turn

Re: 10/20 Big Fold vs. Daut69
 

BUT THAT IS MINOR IN COMPARISON TO THE FACT THAT I CHECK FLOP AND THEN BET/CALL TURN, PLZ EXCUSE CAPS

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BUT THAT IS MINOR IN COMPARISON TO THE FACT THAT I CHECK FLOP AND THEN BET/CALL TURN, PLZ EXCUSE CAPS

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Without the prior hands in the session, I don't know 100%, but I think it would be difficult to expect a C/R after you bet/call the turn. You check the river and he has to bet, especially if it's the only way to win the pot.

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BUT THAT IS MINOR IN COMPARISON TO THE FACT THAT I CHECK FLOP AND THEN BET/CALL TURN, PLZ EXCUSE CAPS

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he doesn't know you were checking to fold.

Re: 10/20 Big Fold vs. Daut69
 

this is a terrible fold, i would CRAI pretty much always

i would 3-bet the turn like 90% of hte time too bc it looks pretty fishy ish

Re: 10/20 Big Fold vs. Daut69
 

wow, I want to be tagged as a nit if people seriously even consider folding here

Re: 10/20 Big Fold vs. Daut69
 

Sorry, I didnt mean it was played bad. haha. i meant given the action of the hand I would call the river because he could put you on AK or AQ or any ace for that matter, and you might lay down. he also might be value betting j10 and think you might call with an ace. so there is a lot of reasons why he could be betting without you being beat, which would lean me to call.

Re: 10/20 Big Fold vs. Daut69
 

Looks like a horrible fold. Aside from bluffs, why can't he v-bet weaker J-x the same way since most of your range is A-x?

Re: 10/20 Big Fold vs. Daut69
 

3bet turn. Call river.

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this is a terrible fold, i would CRAI pretty much always

i would 3-bet the turn like 90% of hte time too bc it looks pretty fishy ish

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jesus at least call man, even scared money wouldnt play this tight, unless you were reading him real well that night.

Re: 10/20 Big Fold vs. Daut69
 

mission accomplished

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mission accomplished

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what does that mean? daut a bit part of the reason i posted the hand was i was hoping you would post your thoughts.

Re: 10/20 Big Fold vs. Daut69
 

wow.

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mission accomplished

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what does that mean? daut a bit part of the reason i posted the hand was i was hoping you would post your thoughts.

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Well if he had a big hand I don't think you folding would have accomplished the mission, so I think you can make an accurate assumptions.


Also, grimstarr is sitting out, word.