NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

Villian is unknown I just sat at the table.
Do I call in spots like these normally I fold to a turn bet if he would have bet but what's my best play here?

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Button ($15.55)
SB ($47.40)
BB ($122.30)
UTG ($270.35)
Hero ($100)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $3.50, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $15</font>, Hero calls $11, SB folds.

Flop: ($34) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $22</font>, Hero calls $22.

Turn: ($78) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($78) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $85.3 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $-7.29

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

Dude its blind v blind first off. Second off do we just guess what type of player villain is?

Versus standard player bet 3/4 pot on turn comitting yourself to the pot.

Grow sum gonads.

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

well played

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

against unknown it's fine

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against unknown i am calling river.

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

given u checked behind on the turn, u are asking villain to bet the river, as played i call river.
I think QQ, KK, AA all bet the turn if u were villain.

This is missed diamonds, and AK a lot i think.

Also, if u are calling with JJ here pf and on flop, and not just set mining, then this is about as good a flop, turn &amp; river as u can get. Stick it in.

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

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u cant be serious

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

I think he had smth like AK or 10 10
BET TURN !

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

100nl is pretty passive...

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

I don't think he can't have AA,KK,QQ here what if the unknown is a reg and wanted to c/r me on the turn it's possible here.
And it's also unlikely that an unknown would do this with TT or AK.

And to me his shove looks for value, I think a bluff would more often be around 1/2 - 3/4 pot here.

comments?

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

i think this is fine against an uknown, river doesn't look all that bluffy to me imo, obv we don't know if he takes this line with 99 TT, but again, it's fine

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

If you're even considering folding on this turn or river then just fold the flop. If you believe his range is that narrow then set mine and fold the flop. I'm not saying that is the correct play but it's certainly better than calling the flop and folding when nothing cards come out.

As played I call.

Why did you call the flop?

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

The hand has good show down value, folding to further heat on turn or river doesn't make a flop call bad.

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If you're even considering folding on this turn or river then just fold the flop. If you believe his range is that narrow then set mine and fold the flop. I'm not saying that is the correct play but it's certainly better than calling the flop and folding when nothing cards come out.

As played I call.

Why did you call the flop?

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When he bet's on the turn I can still be ahead on his range since he probably c-bets all weaker hands here.
If he than fires again on turn or river I feel his range has narrowed and now beats me, that's why I think it's not wrong to call and fold to further action.

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If you're even considering folding on this turn or river then just fold the flop. If you believe his range is that narrow then set mine and fold the flop. I'm not saying that is the correct play but it's certainly better than calling the flop and folding when nothing cards come out.

As played I call.

Why did you call the flop?

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When he bet's on the turn I can still be ahead on his range since he probably c-bets all weaker hands here.
If he than fires again on turn or river I feel his range has narrowed and now beats me, that's why I think it's not wrong to call and fold to further action.

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Why not bet the turn then?

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

nothing that we beat calls imo

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

so you call flop and don't plan on betting or calling another bet no matter what happens?

you are essentially extending your set mining. just fold flop.

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

this could be a frustrated AKdd, but IMO its a good fold... a turn bet would be good but we'd be committing ourselves.. idn I like the fold as played

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so you call flop and don't plan on betting or calling another bet no matter what happens?

you are essentially extending your set mining. just fold flop.

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dont ever fold flop here

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

yea this is awful, i am absolutely firing this turn to push out high cards, if he trapped with a high PP good for him

as played this river bet looks like an absolute bluff, no way i am folding here

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

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nothing that we beat calls imo

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thats fine, u need to push out high cards

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

i think i would just bet/call the turn. if he is trapping with QQ-AA, well played him.

as played, i would call the river

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nothing that we beat calls imo

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thats fine, u need to push out high cards

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not really that important, he only has 15% equity

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

checking behind on the turn is fine. but you absolutely have to call the river.

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nothing that we beat calls imo

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thats fine, u need to push out high cards

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getting called by only better hands to stop someone from drawing to 6 outs is pretty useless, and ppl saying that if u call flop u cant fold turn/river dont make sense. ppl seem to think that its logical that if u call flop cause u think ur ahead of his range and if turn blanks u should still be ahead - when in fact when he fires flop his range is huge as a c-bet and when he fires turn or river, readless, its generally a stronger hand than jacks.

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

what's wrong with raising this flop?

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

IMO, if he's decent, this is gonna be a strong hand more often than a bluff, I think he was probably going for a check/shove on turn. I'd be fine with stacking off /w JJ at other points in the hand, and maybe even the river, but I think the way the hand played out it's a pretty unusual place for a bluff.

Maybe making some small stealish looking bet on turn could be good? Raising flop is probably alright as well?

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

this hand would be so much easier with hud stats on villain. really tough to give advice with no read. i'd probably bet turn vs. unknown and say nh if he had AA/KK/QQ.

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

I like the fold. Chances that he was check/ shoving on the turn are MUCH higher then the chance he is pushing the river with something like AK. If he checked behind the turn IP, it is a different story.

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

In retrospect, it looks like villain missed a check-shove on the turn.

With $78 in there and only $63 behind, I probably just shove the turn for value in game.

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

wtf at everyone saying bet the turn to push out high cards???

this hand was played fine. i usually call or fold river depending on how im feeling

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

call

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

If we are calling this river, then why not just bet the turn ourself?

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

come on now.... this is BVB... I actually really like your play up until the river which is a snap call

Those who are saying fold is good given the bet sizing of the river bet are giving villain way too much credit imo

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

you said that he may have been going for a check raise on the turn ??? why would he do this


you haven't really shown much strength why would he expect you to bet then push with QQ AA KK which he knows is crushing you

call on river son

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

Nobody has said shove flop?

Shove flop.

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Nobody has said shove flop?

Shove flop.

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I agree with this and don't understand why it hasn't been mentioned yet

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Nobody has said shove flop?

Shove flop.

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I agree with this and don't understand why it hasn't been mentioned yet

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I had the same confusion, easy flop shove. And you get called by AK ALOT.

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

shove flop, misclick turn, and fold to river overbet.

? profit ?

Re: NL100 I\'m having trouble with JJ in 3 bet pots
 

Snapcall