(NL600) AA faces huge all-in raise on the turn
 

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CO ($712.10)
Button ($479.10)
SB ($410)
BB ($352.80)
UTG(HERO) ($635.15)
UTG+1 ($675.35)
MP1 ($600)
MP2 ($967.55)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">HERO raises to $24</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls $24, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($57) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">HERO bets $36</font>, CO calls $36.

Turn: ($129) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">HERO bets $75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $652.1</font>, HERO ???

Villain is 17/11/2/300
Hero is running at about 12/9/3

What is villain's range? Do you call? Would you call with less than AA?

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wow, given how tight both of you are i think i fold this pretty quickly

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bet more on the flop and turn

I fold here

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What do you think villain is holding?
Do you really think that a what appears to be a TAG will play full house this way?
What is the worst hand you call with here?

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Flop bet should be liek 40-45 leading to a 120-135 turn bet.

as played I think you can fold the turn. Seems like you'll see a boat, flopped straight or something random like 34s every time.

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easy fold. at the worst he has 34

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What do you think villain is holding?
Do you really think that a what appears to be a TAG will play full house this way?
What is the worst hand you call with here?

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If you don't think he play that this way. What do you think he plays like this and that you are ahead of? I really doubt he does this with a draw.

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easy fold. at the worst he has 34

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I highly doubt he has 34 here

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As an example, two hands I could see doing this that AA is ahead of are 9h8h and KK. Also the relatively small bets might have induced a bluff.
If the consensus is that you have to fold AA here, can't villain push the turn profitably with any 2 cards?
5 replies so far said fold, so it very well might be the correct play.

Hypothetical scenario:
How do you play this hand if villain raises to 225-250$, especially if villain pushes the river?

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lol at folding here.

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I call. Guess that makes me a station.

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Both of your tight stats make this a close decision. Still, I'm leaning towards calling.

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Im calling and expect to see KK QQ here alot.

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I probably fold here fairly quickly. While he doesn't have 43 here, he does have something that owns us.

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I cawl and expect to see something with hearts.

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I call. Guess that makes me a station.

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i call all day.

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After the initial responses were 5:0 in favor of folding the new tally is now 7:6 in favor of calling.

I really am very much interested in how you play this hand if villain makes a normal sized raise on the turn. If you call that raise you will get about 3:1 on the river if villain shoves.

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(Bonus question: Does anyone call with worse than AA? KK? QQ?)

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easy fold. at the worst he has 34

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I highly doubt he has 34 here

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Yea I dont think its a huge part of his range, but its the WORST hand that beats you IMO.
Also, yea, the turn puts two hearts out there, so its actually possible he picked up hearts and made a move, but no one does that anymore, he just wants you to think he does. He has a hand here, he woulda been semi bluffing in 2005.

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I cawl and expect to see something with hearts.

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Yeah. I KNOW I'm a station, but I'm not folding this and I'm pretty sure you shouldn't either.

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Villain has 76 and is trying to get value from his now duplicated two pair. He simultaneously thinks you're FOS because of your smallish turn bet.

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Villain has 76 and is trying to get value from his now duplicated two pair. He simultaneously thinks you're FOS because of your smallish turn bet.

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yo, good level...

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If you fold here you are a nit... instacall and you will he has a draw.

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I was actually the villain in this hand but I thought the hand was more interesting from the perspective of the AA-hand.

So I will try one last time to get opinions on
a) do you fold at some point there is a normal sized raise on the turn and a push on the river?
b) do you call the all-in on the turn with less than AA?

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hate the turn bet with AA

I think I just fold having represented exactly what I've got vs a 12/9 and having him move in on me, especially without anything else going on

if my image is bad I think it's a snapcall because I'm going to see a worse overpair a ton here, and it's probably the only correct time to fire out on this turn

ps., my image is often pretty bad

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I think I just fold having represented exactly what I've got vs a 12/9 and having him move in on me, especially without anything else going on

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The AA player was the 12/9 guy.
I am the villain with an unknown hand and the AA player probably has me at 17/11.

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LOL. This is such a ridiculously easy call. The board pairing makes it WAY less likely we are beat when he pushs.

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Results?

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Snap snap snapcall, I would only check turn if I had a read villain is a good tag.

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Who is Villain in this hand? I call/fold depending on who the villain is I think. .

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I think our hand is so faced up right now that it makes it more likely that villain is going to pull a stupid bluff here.

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Who is Villain in this hand? I call/fold depending on who the villain is I think. .

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My opponent(12/9/3) was holding AA.
I was the player with the unkown hand (17/11/2), pushed the turn and wanted to see how 2+2 players react to that.

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Did you try to bluff him off his overpair? The guy is playing 12/9, do you think he waits to get dealt monsters just to fold them when the board pairs?

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Hopefully your push was for value.

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this is either a set (boat on turn) or an overpair. everyone saying 34 is retarded.

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this is either a set (boat on turn) or an overpair. everyone saying 34 is retarded.

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This is far from his range even if we leave 34 out.

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eh why would villian shove a boat on the turn? call

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eh why would villian shove a boat on the turn? call

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he won't have a 3 either, i'm calling for sure

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Results (in white):
<font color="white">I was holding 5c4c and was called by the AA hand. </font>