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Bond18 11-05-2007 09:41 PM

Aussie 1k sat SS shove hand
 
I got into a discussion with Goggles about this hand after it happened. Goggles is in the BB. 2 seats are awarded, 3rd gets nothing.

In this spot do you call, min raise to 2500ish, or shove?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t250/t500
(Ante: t50)
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t17358
UTG+1: t3937
MP1: t29137
MP2: t1561
MP3: t6595
Hero: t13036
Button: t5990
SB: t15476
BB: t11910

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 raises all-in t1511</font>, MP3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero???

bigballz 11-05-2007 10:09 PM

Re: Aussie 1k sat SS shove hand
 
min reraise prob

adanthar 11-05-2007 10:11 PM

Re: Aussie 1k sat SS shove hand
 
2500 sounds good. shoving in this is pretty lousy.

Bond18 11-05-2007 10:29 PM

Re: Aussie 1k sat SS shove hand
 
I make it 2511 and Goggles jams 11,910 in the BB. I fold.

Standard?

adanthar 11-05-2007 10:40 PM

Re: Aussie 1k sat SS shove hand
 
the fact that it's goggles kinda makes me want to call but probably not enough to actually do it, unless I picked up a tell somewhere

curtains 11-05-2007 11:00 PM

Re: Aussie 1k sat SS shove hand
 
I minraise. If anyone shoves behind just fold. In these spots I minraise almost all hands I decide to play.

Cornell Fiji 11-05-2007 11:02 PM

Re: Aussie 1k sat SS shove hand
 
yea, this hand is pretty standard...

goggles would probably fold almost everything if you shove and he might know that you are folding almost everything here to his shove so good for him on making the right read... you should still fold though.

Bond18 11-05-2007 11:19 PM

Re: Aussie 1k sat SS shove hand
 
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I minraise. If anyone shoves behind just fold. In these spots I minraise almost all hands I decide to play.

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So do i. Now where's goggles? It's gloatin' time.

hasuuser 11-05-2007 11:53 PM

Re: Aussie 1k sat SS shove hand
 
KQ or A7 for goggles?:)

curtains 11-05-2007 11:53 PM

Re: Aussie 1k sat SS shove hand
 
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I minraise. If anyone shoves behind just fold. In these spots I minraise almost all hands I decide to play.

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So do i. Now where's goggles? It's gloatin' time.

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Don't think its much to gloat about.

curtains 11-05-2007 11:55 PM

Re: Aussie 1k sat SS shove hand
 
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yea, this hand is pretty standard...

goggles would probably fold almost everything if you shove and he might know that you are folding almost everything here to his shove so good for him on making the right read... you should still fold though.

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Well I don't know if we are folding almost everything? But we had ATo, which isn't one of the top hands of our range, and he needs to be tighter than usual because he has to win a showdown for the lion's share of the pot. Because of that we don't have to call with such a large % of our range, because for game theory reasons or whatever, he should be required to play pretty tight.

Somethin like that I guess.

Bond18 11-06-2007 12:21 AM

Re: Aussie 1k sat SS shove hand
 
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I minraise. If anyone shoves behind just fold. In these spots I minraise almost all hands I decide to play.

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So do i. Now where's goggles? It's gloatin' time.

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Don't think its much to gloat about.

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Nah, gloating because he insulted me (playfully) for my min raise and told me i was wrong.

Pudge714 11-06-2007 12:59 AM

Re: Aussie 1k sat SS shove hand
 
FWIW I was think once we minraise it would be so sick to iso with like ATC by goggles.

Mench 11-06-2007 01:03 AM

Re: Aussie 1k sat SS shove hand
 
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FWIW I was think once we minraise it would be so sick to iso with like ATC by goggles.

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did you sir perhaps play SNGs at some point???

curtains 11-06-2007 01:44 AM

Re: Aussie 1k sat SS shove hand
 
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FWIW I was think once we minraise it would be so sick to iso with like ATC by goggles.

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It would probably be quite bad. Theoretically it'd be terrible, it'd only be good if we are folding more than we should be. Not sure how often we isolate here but not so often with so many players left to act. ATo is probably at least close to one of the weakest hands we can have.

Im almost certain that moving allin here with any 2 is just stupid and overly fancy. Way too lazy to do any math on it sorry!

WarDekar 11-06-2007 02:17 AM

Re: Aussie 1k sat SS shove hand
 
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FWIW I was think once we minraise it would be so sick to iso with like ATC by goggles.

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It would probably be quite bad. Theoretically it'd be terrible, it'd only be good if we are folding more than we should be. Not sure how often we isolate here but not so often with so many players left to act. ATo is probably at least close to one of the weakest hands we can have.

Im almost certain that moving allin here with any 2 is just stupid and overly fancy. Way too lazy to do any math on it sorry!

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Uhhhh Hero should obviously be min-raising his big hands that he'll call with as well, so if you're shoving ATC GL with that.


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