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Aleator22 11-05-2007 06:20 PM

What range of VPIP and PFR should I be playing at 100NL 6-max?
 
I am new to the forums and new to 6-max cash games. I have played a lot of SNGs (9 handed, 6 handed, and heads up) and the occasional 9 handed cash game in the past couple of years. I have Poker Tracker and recently added PAHUD in order to gain a better feel of my oppenents while multi-tabling.
My main question right now is what kind of range my VPIP and PFR should be for 6-max cash games at the 100NL level. I have played 21/12 over my first thousand hands which I feel is probably a little too low. Thanks for the help.

Cue-Ball 66 11-05-2007 06:22 PM

Re: What range of VPIP and PFR should I be playing at 100NL 6-max?
 
You have to play exactly 22/18. If you're playing 23/17 you're cold-calling wayyy too much.

SlowRoll 11-05-2007 06:23 PM

Re: What range of VPIP and PFR should I be playing at 100NL 6-max?
 
21/12 is bad. You are probaly limping and cold-calling way too many hands.

There is no magic formulla, but your VPIP and PFR should be closer connected.

I play around 20/17 myself, others like to play 25/20, and nits like to play 14/11.

It is all player/table dependent. Stop limping and start raising more hands in late position and see where it gets you.

dirtylobster 11-05-2007 06:26 PM

Re: What range of VPIP and PFR should I be playing at 100NL 6-max?
 
There is no "perfect" style. Just try to adapt to the table and different villains, find they're leaks/weaknesses and exploit them. That said, I'm playing an average style of 23/20 which comes from playing 18/16 on one table and 26/22 on another.

Snipe 11-05-2007 06:30 PM

Re: What range of VPIP and PFR should I be playing at 100NL 6-max?
 
Start low and nitty - 14/12 or somthing and work your way up to 30/25. Throttle it back and find somthing that works for you. 19/17 to 25/20 seems to be generally accepted.

facetongue 11-05-2007 06:56 PM

Re: What range of VPIP and PFR should I be playing at 100NL 6-max?
 
I'm like 18/16 and so far it's working pretty well. That's an average of my early and late position stats -- utg and utg+1 I'm much tighter. Just never open limp and cut down your cold calling range.

Aleator22 11-05-2007 07:00 PM

Re: What range of VPIP and PFR should I be playing at 100NL 6-max?
 
Thanks for the recommendations so far guys. I'll try to cut down on the limping and see how that works.

Sickboy 11-05-2007 07:12 PM

Re: What range of VPIP and PFR should I be playing at 100NL 6-max?
 
For some of you 25/21 or 20/20 types out there...can you describe your preflop playing style in terms of what your playing, what your raising, etc etc.

I saw someone post something similar to this awhile back when a LAG player asked "show me how to be a nit preflop".

I have no clue how aggro one would need to be to get to 20 preflop. Highest I've ever been is like 13. Do u guys 3bet and 4bet like crazy?

sh58 11-05-2007 07:49 PM

Re: What range of VPIP and PFR should I be playing at 100NL 6-max?
 
i average out at about 21/17, which i find a pretty good number. i think a reasonable range of VPIP/PFR is about 18/15-27/22, although higher and lower can be profitable too

xd40 11-05-2007 09:32 PM

Re: What range of VPIP and PFR should I be playing at 100NL 6-max?
 
given OP's story & stats i would shoot for ~16/15 and drop one level..
after reading a ton of 2p2 material u will naturally rise the numbers.

JesseW316 11-05-2007 10:01 PM

Re: What range of VPIP and PFR should I be playing at 100NL 6-max?
 
I'm 18.5/14.5 but I'm trying to move that up a bit by widening the range that I will normally raise in position with to include some more suited one gaps

researcher 11-05-2007 10:15 PM

Re: What range of VPIP and PFR should I be playing at 100NL 6-max?
 
Hand range depends on table condition. Tight predictable blinds raise almost any hand LP. Loose tricky blinds play more tight in LP. Raise any suited gaps on button are pretty standard I think and in CO to if button and blinds are tight.
Experiment and do what feels good but what hands to play depends on villains against some blinds I raise any hands even 27o on button others I fold fold most hands.

CyberMuppet 11-05-2007 10:32 PM

Re: What range of VPIP and PFR should I be playing at 100NL 6-max?
 
[ QUOTE ]
For some of you 25/21 or 20/20 types out there...can you describe your preflop playing style in terms of what your playing, what your raising, etc etc.

I saw someone post something similar to this awhile back when a LAG player asked "show me how to be a nit preflop".


[/ QUOTE ]

I usually end up around 25/15 shorthanded, but I can always post my starters.

When I'm first starting out at a new table and don't know anything about the others, I use the following starting hands (when first in) which I guess are pretty standard:

UTG, UTG+1: raise any suited connector down to 45s, any AXs, AJo+, any pair 55+ (I usually limp with lower if I play them at all), KQo, KJs, JTo

CO, BUTTON: as above plus add any AXo, possibly suited Kings

BUTTON: raise just about anything if the blinds seem tight

I 3-bet with 99+, AK, sometimes AQ when I start out but adjust this after getting a sense for the table.

holdme 11-05-2007 10:37 PM

Re: What range of VPIP and PFR should I be playing at 100NL 6-max?
 
65/60


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